Dating a Widower: Can He Be Your Mr. Right?

Since I specialize in helping women over 40 find love, clients often ask about dating a widower. Is it a waste of time? Should I proceed with caution? Is it a losing proposition? And my answer may surprise you:

Widowers are some of the best, most eligible, grownup men out there.

One of the most important things I help women with is becoming good pickers – you know, being able to spot the gems even when they’re not the obvious, shiny ones. Having a good picker means not only that you learn how to spot and avoid the jerks, but even more importantly, that you don’t miss the really good guys.

They’re out there! And widowers can be just that.

How?

For starters, a man who had a good marriage knows commitment and how to love!

This man likely knows how to love, communicate, commit, work through problems, and misses being married.

When a man is in a happy relationship, he pours himself into it. And when it’s gone, he’s left with the kids (maybe) and his job (maybe). That leaves a giant hole. So if he knows what he wants and is ready for love again, he takes his search for a new partner seriously – and that’s the gem of dating a widower.

Let’s be honest. We’re not 20 anymore. We’ve experienced a lot: love, heartbreak, successes, failures – and having lost a spouse is a very real possibility. But, as with all of those other big life experiences, being widowed isn’t the end of the story.

My 65-year-old client met a 71-year-old widower.

Together they are traveling the world and running marathons. He wasn’t doing either when they met. And it’s not like she had to ‘make him’ do it – he loved adding that to his life! He was looking for that very thing… again. Were there some challenges along the way for them? Yes. But they developed great communication and worked through them. Now they are happy as clams.

Should you pay attention to his emotional availability, and watch for red flags? His ability to be present? His life in the here and now? Absolutely, yes! But that’s the case with every man you date.

Here’s my best advice for dating a widower:

You must know your must have’s, and go into every date looking for at least one thing that is RIGHT about him. If he makes you feel good, explore it further. But don’t rule him out just because of his scarlet W.

And whether by chance or by choice you do find yourself dating a widower, remember these tips:

  1. Always remember it’s not a competition.
    She was an enormous part of his life. But that doesn’t mean you aren’t too. Be sure to talk about issues as they come up, how they make you feel, and how you can handle them as a team.
  2. Allow him to grieve during anniversaries and birthdays.
    Ask how he would like you to support him. Because he grieves for her doesn’t mean he cares for you any less.
  3. Ask him if he wants you to get to know her.
    You’re probably curious about her but allow him to share and express as he feels comfortable. It’ll probably also help you get to know him better.
  4. Don’t think you have to be anything like his wife!
    She’s not your competition.

Yes, it’s a flag if he talks about her constantly, but it can also just be a habit. If he does, let him know you understand though you’d like to get to know him. If he persists…he’s not ready.

If you’re in early dating, don’t hesitate to have a grownup, direct conversation about his readiness to feel a deep connection with another woman. Then believe him, and pay attention to his actions. It is true that some think they are ready but not (just like after a breakup, right?).

Don’t assume any specific number of months or years is required until he’s ready. You don’t know the situation – maybe she was sick a long time which often means he’s ready to start new…learn his story, and don’t make assumptions.

Or you just may miss out on Mr. Right.

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Have you been dating a widower? Leave a comment below!

An addendum:

Speaking of comments, I’ve received a ton! Some of you shared your positive experiences and thanked me. Many more of you called my ass out! This is not an attempt to defend my work. I don’t feel I have to. But I would like to dig just a little deeper than I did with my initial writing. And I want to thank and honor you all for sharing so thoughtfully and honestly.

I’m happy to say that I’ve never had to experience the grief of losing a spouse. In fact, just writing that makes me feel like throwing up. I can’t even imagine the agony of living through that at any time of one’s life; certainly, any time before, say, our 80s. 

I dated several widowers in my single decades and had an extended relationship with one. I have also spent the past 10+ years closely observing many women as they dated Ws. Some have remained in great relationships with them (like Karen above). Most have not, because of the very issues you have raised.

You see…if you know my work, you know that its foundation is based on helping women embrace that their own happiness must be their first priority. When they are happy, their man is happy.

My advice here is to a woman who has met one of the “gems” that I introduced to you at the start of this article: one who had a good, long marriage…knows how to love, communicate, commit, work through problems …misses being married…pours himself into [a relationship]. (Meaning a relationship with HER.)

It is to This Man — the one who knows how to love and is ready to do it again — that I advise a woman to extend kindness, patience, and empathy. If he makes her happy in countless wonderful ways, I advise that she try to understand that there can be a piece of him that still loves and honors his late wife.

I admit that as a coach who teaches women to date like a grownup, I assumed that it would be taken for granted that it is never okay to stick around and accept bad behavior or be treated like a doormat. (Yah, I know about the assume thing.) 

Many of you spoke of excesses: droning on and on, posting on Facebook how much he misses her, baking her birthday cakes every year, and hanging her pictures on the wall…absolutely these are all likely deal-breakers!

I advised to have a conversation with him and if he persists…he’s not ready. I apparently could have supplied clearer qualifiers to better express my position. 

So…that’s some additional foundation.

In the end, here is the bottom like to my advice:

If a Good Man can give you 95% of himself, but still needs to save 5% for a dead woman with whom he shared decades of this life, you might be able to give him the gift of letting him remember her fondly…without guilt or shame.

Again, I truly DO love and appreciate hearing from you. I know that you are wise and smart and loving. What you share here is meaningful to me and also helps inform the thousands of women who are reading these posts. 

So, keep bringing it on. But please, can you not write me that you disagree with my percentage allocation and stupid stuff like that? I’d really appreciate it. 🙂

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PLEASE READ BEFORE ASKING ME FOR MORE ADVICE:

At the time of this writing, there are over 400 comments on this article, many of which contain even more of my detailed advice. READ THE COMMENTS FIRST before asking me for any additional advice. I’ve no doubt already answered your question and won’t be adding more advice here.

With love and support,

  1. I live in South Africa. My husband literally walked out and started his life over at age 49 after a 25 yr marriage. I have had to take responsibility for everything and I am very lonely and struggling to find one man here in Cape Town. I long for companionship, a laugh and a relaxed coffee but there are only married people here or gay and I am neither. What can I do? I have tried online dating for four years now and I am very open to meet anybody. I have way too much time on my hands – feeling unseen and irrelevant, yet I know I am worth it. Do you know anybody anywhere willing to connect with me? I am open to any change.

  2. There is no timeline to grief and it ebbs and flows. If a man feels he is still in it; he is. Sure, you can stay in his life as a ‘friend’ but know that there is absolutely no assurance he will ever be yours romantically. It’s you decision to wait. I wouldn’t. Best to you.

  3. Can you answer sunny side up question as it is very relatable to mine. I think you skipped over it somehow. Thanks

  4. My friend, as much as you may care for him he has told you very directly who he is, and what he is capable of. I’m sorry, but to expect anything more from him will just result in major disappointment and ultimately rejection. Please believe what he’s telling you. Do you want a man who can be emotionally available and able to make a commitment to you, don’t you? Bp

  5. I am a widow and I have found a man I am tremendously interested in who has been a widow for 3 years. I have been for 2 years. He was an acquaintance of my late husband. I have been with him once and talked and texted several times. We had such an amazing time together. He seemed so happy. Now he says hiso e died with her, he felt guilty, his life will continue to be bad and miserable. He doesn’t think he can give me what I need. He is literally working himself to death. I try to stay in touch to check on him. I am very worried about him. I suggested counseling for him. He said he does not to displease God because he wants to go to heaven to be with her. I’m really worried but he was so happy with me. What should I do? I think I’m in a better place than him but I don’t want to lose him. Help please. Katie

  6. Hi I’m in love with the widower man for 7years he loves me but he didn’t introduce me to his family sisters and brothers cause is the family he have now he have 3 kids I have 2kids I love he’s kids and he also loves my kids

  7. I am eager to meet an honest, respectable widower due to I’m a widow myself. If he can make me laugh again, I’ll gladly respond to it in an either way.

  8. Sorry Pam, but I’m with your sister. If you’re looking for a deep and committed relationship with a man, I don’t think he’s The One. Have you wasted enough time waiting for him to change? Me thinks so. Best to you.

  9. I think that when a man is interested he will let you know and move to get to be with you. Ask him what’s going on. Can’t hurt, except for learning some truth that may sting. But better than wasting your time.

  10. I started a grief group at my community .. I met a man . We had our pool in common – he wrote me two emails re that. I asked him if he wanted to go for coffee .. then after that to dinner. I’m the bolder one when it comes to tgst but we have so much fun and closed both restaurants. When we text or on phone we’re on for hours. Is i is it OK okay for me to initiate more then him. He does sometimes text me first.
    Last week we were enjoyed phone 12 hrs and I said wow we were on long Abd he said it was but didn’t seem like it. I need advise.

  11. Hello,
    I’ve been with a widower for 11yrs. He is 16 years older than me turning 75 soon. Never has he mentioned moving in together by looking for a place. It’s getting hard to schedule his visits at my house after I’m done with school for the day. Sometimes I want to workout or walk the dogs. He is loyal and does things for me around the house when I’m in school, but something is still missing. He said he and his late wife had a “look” before she passed that said I won’t remarry , move in with someone? I am ready to share a space for logistical reasons, but also bc I’m just ready after 11 years! Any advice? My sister says there are other men out there that would swoop me up in a heartbeat. He said he doesn’t want anyone taking care of him and that he would not have any control-we are doomed before we even begin!

  12. I recently started talking to a widower. I also have went through the loss. It was my ex husband but I don’t think I had ever stopped really loving him and comparing everyone to him. So meeting this widower has helped. We have talked about our losses. We have talked about what we want. What we need. We have discussed a lot. I know he isn’t READY. But as I am always 100% honest I have discussed dates I have had and planned. He has guilt as he gets jealous. He has guilt after we video chat for hours and laugh. I truly think his guilt is all that is holding him back. He has spoken to his sister about me. I have fallen head over heals. I just wish I could help him see he has nothing to feel
    Guilty about. I let him freely speak of his late wife as I truly know she did not leave him because she didn’t love him, cheat on him, or anything like that. I also know that from the day of her diagnosis she told him she didn’t want him to give up on life after she was gone. She wanted him to find love again. He has taught me patience. Some days I don’t message him. I wait. Then he messages me to ask if I am ok. Oh and On a side note. It doesn’t help that his late wife passed from cancer and I have had to have tests and biopsies and due for surgery next month. Mine is not cancer but I heard the fear in his voice when I told him what was happening.

  13. I met a widower several months ago in an unrelated group setting. I was aware of their late wife’s passing, from group convo. For months we never spoke outside of the group, but we seemed to have a really cool report during virtual meet-ups. We ended up emailing recipes once, a few weeks in. We ended up exchanging numbers, in hopes of meeting when he came to visit my area for an event. We instantly connected and it felt so good to be liked after soooo many years of being, not only alone, but lonely. I fell very quickly, I must admit. It seems the same for him. Today, after he returned from a group trip to Mexico (which is also the last trip he and his late spouse took before her passing). His demeanor was distant….different towards me. I just knew the destination had triggered something within him. He told me that he feels he is still in love with his late spouse. I appreciate the honesty. It caught me off guard bc convo never really led me to feel that he was still in love with her. I mean, I knew love was still there, but not that he feels like he’s cheating on her. I have always given him space to talk about her and have even asked questions (not intrusive ones). I realize the sensitivity of that area of his life…..but now I feel so low and hate that I allowed myself to fall. I never saw any red flags, yet, maybe I didn’t want to bc I was enjoying the connection. It’s one of those twin flame connections. Everything feels intense. It feels like I knew him in a different life. Trust me, I know how cheesy that sounds LOL, but it’s genuine. I know he misses her and I think he bypassed processing some of the grief over the course of the past 2 yrs. LW’s death anniversary is coming up this month, so I know that mixed with the trip and stirred up some emotion. So, with all thst said….am I doing myself an injustice by trying to be his friend-only now, despite having crossed a line romantically? My heart is involved, but I want to respect where he is. In all vulnerability, I do not want to be without this person but I just don’t know if that’s stupidly unrealistic. Help please…how do I move through this as thy move through grief, in a healthy manner? I am scared that they may move on to someone else as they process and possibly become prepared to enter a relationship again.

  14. I can’t tell you the reason, but it sounds like he’s not too interested in working on any kind of relationship. Sorry, He seems quite unavailable. You can have a conversation. Just tell him you’d like to talk and have some privacy. Ask him how he can make that happen. Then have a grownup conversation.

  15. Dear Anon,

    Perhaps Bobbi is right: your jealousy and anger is simply a product of something other than the complexities of your relationship.

    I too, am dating a widowed man. I blissfully fell in love with him, and as time continues my emotions grow in magnitude and in depth, exponentially.

    In the beginning of our relationship he confided into me the intimate details of his marriage.

    He once described to me a memory in which the look his wife would give him after a fight they had and how he would attack her(sexually). Or, how he adored her Elizabeth Taylor eyes, and the smaller details of how she’d keep her kitchen.

    Those memories are fond moments only a man madly in love tells of.

    His late wife and him shared a beautiful life together along with their four children. Traumatically, she was killed in a motor vehicle accident over 25 years ago.

    He still remembers everything like it was yesterday. He has shared with me that he would’ve continued to have children with his late wife if she wore alive, and he doesn’t understand why she was taken from him.

    Here I am, initially welcoming his openness. Little did I know that his vulnerabilities and my compassion will likely be the demise of our relationship.

    Unlike you, I am not jealous, and I am not angry. My boyfriend is a good man who was once a loving father and committed husband to someone else. I can appreciate that as a friend, and as a peer, but not as a lover who feels contempt.

    It is my belief that people truly fall in love once. The bond he declared to have with his late wife is a once in a lifetime phenomenon.

    It deeply pains me to admit, despite what he tells me, that he does not share the same deep connection and meaningful bond with me. Simply because I believe it is impossible philosophically.
    The intimacy, the passion, and the romance I share with this man is simply unliteral.

    Believe me when I tell you that this has destroyed me, and I am utterly devastated by this enlightenment.

    Primarily, I can not put compassion at the forefront of our relationship anymore. The type of love and yearning I have for him, that he had for his late wife will never reconcile.

    Anon, you believe you should let him go for his own good. I too, am pondering the same. Suffice to say, for very different reasons we simply may not have what it takes.

    We endure these men because we are wholeheartedly and wildly in love with them. I pray that we prevail in the interest of all so sensitively involved.

  16. I was introduced to a widower almost 1 year ago. After about the 3rd time meeting him within a group of people, I had some interest. About 6 months ago we started hanging out more frequently. I have met his sister and both of his grown daughters. We have been “hanging out” for the last 6 months. He kisses me on my lips to say goodnight and on 1 occasion 4 months ago, we shared a more passionate kiss. That was definitely his first time kissing someone since his deceased wife and it was initiated by him. Since then we have continued to enjoy each other’s company. I am ready to actually be taken out on a date but can’t seem to find a way to have that conversation with him, either because others are around or we are in a crowded venue. He talks about doing things together but has never initiated the phone call or text to make a plan. The attraction for me is strong and I don’t know whether its that he is not ready, a bit shy or just not interested in anything more. I don’t know how much longer I can continue. I am lost and a bit confused and definitely not the person that, at this point just wants a friend.

  17. I am so so sorry for your loss, Justin. While my articles here are written for women, I think you’ll find many that are easily applied to you as you begin dating again. Use the search on my blog page or search by category to help. Also, there are coaches who specialize in helping men. My focus is on helping men…by helping women. Wishing you peace and, eventually, love again. Bp

  18. Sarah, talk to your Man about your feelings around this. It’s time to share how it makes you feel and ask him how he can help. Bp

  19. I am a widower at 40years old. Lost my wife after 20 years, and finding it difficult to date at all. The issue is I really want a relationship, and miss having love in my life. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I’m lost with the dating world and feel lonely and lost.

  20. How do you handle the family, friends and acquaintances bringing her up whenever you’re in any outside situation. I am finding that being a very difficult hurdle to get over. It makes me wonder if there’s going to come a time when the past doesn’t creep into every get together. We have been dating for almost a year and a half.

  21. So true! I suppose we need to ask. Thanks Rick. And my sincere condolences. Bp

  22. Having been recently widowed myself, it can be helpful to be clear with any future partners whether you are interested in companionship or relationship. They are not the same thing, and sometimes men just call either one “dating” even though the two are quite different.

  23. Mary, instead of asking him to remove things, share with him how you feel. That means you have to figure that out. Do you feel jealous? Do you feel like as long as he holds on to her he can’t truly love you? And what do you actually want him to do? Eliminate everything of hers? Clear her pics off his side tables? Get clear, then have an honest grownup conversation with him. Start with telling him yiunn Bp live and trust him. Bp

  24. I’ve been dating a widowed man. For almost 3 years. He’s very kind and attentive to me and constantly tells me I love you. I love him and don’t know why feel like I’m not enough to make him happy. He still has his wife’s pics and items that belong to her. I thought he might have gotten rid of them but hasn’t. Would it be selfish of me to ask to get rid of them. I am divorced and have gotten rid of anything that linked me to my adult kids father.

  25. Sorry Anne, I had the same situation with the ADULT kids being as*holes about their father’s happiness. No, my husband wasn’t widowed, but still…they are adults! I find it very selfish. What you should pay attention to though, is whether your man is able and willing to move on anyway. That’s what really matters. My husband, thank goodness, let them know we were getting married and they better live with it and be (at least) respectful. Whether your man is able and willing…only he can tell you that. You need to ask. Talk about it. Because if he’s not, I advise you to move on, hard as it may seem. Best to you. Bp

  26. My advice, Chloe, is that he doesn’t sound at all ready for a committed relationship. Should you wait and hope he changes sometime soon? I don’t think so. I think you know that. Wishing you the best. Bp

  27. Been dating a widower for about 2 months now. First met him, and his now late wife 11 years ago. At the time it was his friend I was dating that introduced us. His wife was definitely not fond of me either. Well, time had passed… him, and I lost touch after I broke things off with his friend. In November I receive a message from him saying that he has been thinking about me a lot lately. In which I replied, I don’t know how his wife would feel about that. Then I learned that she had passed from cancer. I figured it had been a significant amount of time for him to process his grief, until after spending Christmas with his family I see a post later on about how it was his first Christmas without her, and how much he misses her, and lives her always. I kinda was taken back a bit…like…wow this is still fresh. Things started to slow between him, and myself after New years, and I come to find out that it was nearing the anniversary of his late wife’s passing. Pretty soon I am feeling as though I am being ghosted. I messaged him, and let him know that if he is not ready for a relationship that him, and I can remain friends, because I am looking for a deeper connection with someone these days, and can’t put myself out there for someone that cannot be romantically involved. He said it isn’t that he is grieving, but that he just has a lot of stuff going on, and that maybe we should slow down a bit, get to know each other more, and stay together. More ghosting from there, and then more Facebook posts. This one on the anniversary of her death. Pics of them signing their wedding certificate, and a post about how much he misses her, will always love her, and how he can’t wait to be with her again. Felt like a gut punch, and made me feel completely irrelevant. I care emojied the post anyhow because I figure I should be supportive. I messaged him the next day to say it’s been a bit since we’ve talked, and to see how he is doing. He just said he hasn’t been sleeping well, and that it has caused some major depression. I let him know that I am here to talk about whatever he wants if he wants to…fast forward a little bit…he is a bit more talkative now…not much, but I asked if he wanted to get together to hang out sometime and let him know I am off work Monday. He said he can hang out on Monday, but he will be with his late wife’s sister that day, but it “should be okay”. I respectfully declined, said we should plan for another time, and that I’d let them catch up. I don’t know…that just seems too soon to jump in and meet the late wife’s sister, especially since I am unsure of where him, and I stand at the moment. I’ve been respectfully giving him his space, but at the same time also think that I may be making myself a little too available for someone that isn’t as available for me, and my needs. Any advice?

  28. Heartbroken here. I was dating a 60 year old widower for 9 months. His adult children have never been supportive of me and have always tried to influence him to leave me. For no good reason. Finally, he couldn’t take it and is thinking of breaking up with me. We have a fun, easy going time and enjoy a lot of the same things.
    It’s so very sad.

  29. Robin, I’m sorry my writing hurt you so. I will take note. Bp

  30. I’m happy to say that I’ve never had to experience the grief of losing a spouse. In fact, just writing that makes me feel like throwing up. I can’t even imagine the agony of living through that at any time of one’s life; certainly, any time before, say, our 80s.

    Seriously? Fuck you. As if we don’t already feel ostracized and isolated enough as it is. Here you are making it into some vomit inducing event. Fuck you fuck you fuck you.

    Don’t EVER fucking say I can’t imagine that happening to someone that it HAS happened to.

  31. What a helpful, understanding and positive comment, thank you so much. I am dating a 65 year old widower whose wife died suddenly four years ago, and I am pretty sure it’s for the reasons you describe that he still has photos of her through the house, and still wears his wedding ring. Her clothes are still in the closet too. I wouldn’t dream of hassling him about any of it; I am insecure for my own reasons, and to try to blame my insecurities on these things would be silly. He just doesn’t “see” his house environment the way I or another outsider would; pretty much everything is where it has been for many years.
    I particularly like your analogy of loving a new as well as a passed pet, or a mother loving her many children. It is possible to love, and love, and love. Love is abundant.

  32. Only been a year and 1/2 of dating exclusively. Met just as Covid started. He only wanted to see me once a week Then two and then quickly every day.
    I backed off to less days then increased.
    I’m set back by him saying “she was the live of my life” occasionally. It was 6 years ago she past from long time with breast cancer.
    I feel I’m in competition with her yet terrified if he did decides to verbalize he loves me.
    I’m wonder if women like me like that his attachment to the past gives the breather the present relationship needs.?

  33. 100% AGREE! I’m not into 3somes of ANY kind!

  34. Don’t sell yourself short. Being #2 to the love of his life isn’t worth your time. Ws are broken and you’re a Goddess who doesn’t have time to fix them.

  35. I dated a 60 year old man who met his wife when she was 18, he was 40. They were madly in love, she gave him a son and died 11 years after they met (he refused to talk about it so I don’t know what she died from but I know it was an illness her mother was caring for her). That was over 10 years ago. We dated for 1.5 years, he never introduced me as his girlfriend – didn’t even introduce me to his 17 year old son. We had separate households and when I finally came to his home almost a year into the relationship, he had a picture of them on his dresser next to a giant, open family Bible. Her childhood photo albums were all over the room, and suggestive photos from her to him were in an open drawer where I saw them… He talked about her almost every day, saying my wife this or my wife that. I finally asked him to just call her by her name, which he did – until the day before he suddenly left me. No genuine reason given. Clearly, in his mind she never aged past 29 – I am 58. I don’t have the young body he was used to, or the energy or the 100% dependency she had on him (going from her father’s home to his home). I never dated a widower before so I didn’t know what “signs” to look for but now I see he just was not ready to move on. I honestly don’t think he ever will be. I was just for “fun”. She was his one and only wife. I adored this man and it devastated me when he ended it. I will NEVER date a widower ever again.

  36. Ugh, tough situation. I feel for you. Id suggest having an honest focused conversation with him, focusing on your desire for him to be happy rather than her ugly traits. And certainly not comparing her to his wife. Then, let him know you’ll be there for him no matter what happens with her. That doesn’t mean, however, that you’ll be hanging out like you used to. Be patient with him. He’s going through an enormous life change.
    And btw, same thing happened with my uncle after my dear aunt died after 50 years of marriage. He went crazy and picked the most horrible women. I’m sorry to say that whatever was said to him went nowhere. At 85 he’s still got these users in his life. My aunt was the complete opposite; altruistic to a fault. Just sayin’. I still love him but have chosen not to see him very often. But Id be there for him if he ever needed me and he knows the reasoning behind my choice. Most the rest of the family has done the same, unfortunately. But he’s made a choice, too. It’s their life and We have no idea what went on or goes on behind closed doors in any of their relationships. Best to you. Bp

  37. Hi Sherry. This is a difficult situation. I appreciate his concern about the family’s feelings, but I have to think that this is a sign he’s not emotionally ready. Then again, what is the scenario? The day after the memorial he’s going to make an announcement?
    Id have a conversation with him to identify what exactly IS going to be the right time. He may say he doesn’t know, and that may be True. If that’s the case, you may be waiting for something that’ll never happen. Best to you. Bp

  38. My heart hurts badly..I’ve ended it tonight with WBF after one year as of last month. His LW’s family still doesn’t know bout me, which that’s not so much the issue, as it doesn’t matter to me if they know or not…the fact that he’s not comfortable with me posting anything on social media, such as pictures of us, etc….cause then they would know…he’s concerned of their feelings cause no memorial has been done yet of LW’s passing cause of the pandemic…he said he wants to have the memorial done first before letting them know. I’ve learned today that the memorial may now happen sometime in end of October or beginning of November.

    I’ve been extremely patient, empathetic…am I being unreasonable?

    I’m an action speaks louder type of person…and he’s shown that he values their feelings more.

  39. We were friends with a couple and did a lot of fun things together. They enjoyed traveling, dancing, and exercising to keep fit. She was a very hard worker and did all the indoor and outdoor chores when he had a health emergency the year before. A year later she started with a cough which was not Covid and within a week after having surgery.
    Her husband was distraught about losing his wife. My husband kept calling trying to spend time with him but he kept saying he had plans. We then found out he started dating a woman who he dated in High School. He graduated a year before her and went into the military. She did not wait for him and married a couple months out of high school.
    We thought we would give her a chance when he pushed for us to meet her. We discovered she was nothing like his wife and the interests he has she does not like to do. The first time we met her she was bossing him around. We want him to be happy but feel he rushed into a relationship because he missed his wife so much. His wife seldom had an alcoholic drink and when she did it was just one. He was not much of a drinker either. His girlfriend is a big drinker and does not take care of her health. He has tried. She has also pressured him to get rid of his wife’s clothes and other items. This bothered him and he confided to us that he just could not do it. We told him he did not have to and he shouldn’t until he is ready. That seemed to make him feel better. We are concerned that he is going to not give up on this relationship because he does not like to give up on things. Our wish is that he would have found someone that had the same interests as him. He has only dated 2 women in his life, his wife and this woman he dated for a year in High School. We are worried that he is doing it out of loneliness and she enjoys how he takes her to bars and pays for everything

  40. Oh my Samantha, you really did nail it. I admire the sense of honor, respect and sincere love you obviously have for your man. I’m sure he’s lovely, but he’s sure lucky to have such a kind, secure, loving woman. Hugs. Bp

  41. Totally agree with Bobbi! It’s not a divorce they didn’t choose to not be together. My partner’s spouse is still on his social media. I think I would find it quite heartless and be concern he was in denial of his loss/that huge part of his life experience if he removed them all.

    After we had been together for a while (1.5 years) and his family and his late wife’s family were aware he was in a new relationship we posted a photo of us on holiday and everyone who loved him and his late wife supported us with likes and lovely comments.

    His wedding photos to his late wife are just a few posts below, along with the message from her family that she passed – this all will remain there as long as my partner and their families want the photos and posts there it is not my right or wish even to say otherwise!

    The fact that you feel this entitlement really does show that dating a widowed person is not for you. The person that passed has a right to be honored and remembered not erased because you haven’t learned to manage your insecurities. Find someone with no significant dating history and leave widowed people alone to find someone who will honor their life experience with more compassion and humility.

  42. I’m very late to reply but found myself back at this website enjoying reading through the comments again. Thank you both so much for your beautiful insights. It’s wonderful to hear about your experience Deb. It certainly is about creating your own love style together. I hope that your love continues to flourish 🙂

    I’m so grateful for this comments section again Bobbi. I have been surprised at how many people in our day-to-day life have unhelpful opinions on this subject. Thank you all for sharing your experiences.

  43. I am 20 currently, and I fell in love with a widower who is 32. All of this happened within a span of 6 weeks and via long distance. He asked me to be girlfriend two weeks ago and I have been indecisive. His late wife’s death anniversary would be in 10 days time and he told me he plans on posting her picture on his social media feed that day. We all know that is a big no no. Do you feel it’s alright if I set a boundary about it despite not being in an exclusive relationship yet?

  44. Hello,
    I enjoyed reading your article and wanted to ask for advice. I’ve been dating my boyfriend whom I met online for 3 years and we got engaged last year. He was married for 20 years when his wife passed away suddenly. He says he loves me but it feels like he still wants and loves his wife. I know he will always love her but it makes me feel like I’m always going to be second and he expressed getting a tattoo of her. Should this be a deal breaker?

  45. I’m sorry it didn’t work out for you, Kathy, but glad you ultimately took care of yourself. Lessons learned. Thanks for sharing because we’ve all hung around too long at some point or another. Best to you. Bp

  46. I broke up with my widower boyfriend the second time. He has been widowed 9 years. She was his second marriage blending his 2 kids part time, hers full time. They were together 28 years total when she died of cancer. I knew of her as she was friends with my sister in law. He talked non stop about her , had a shrine in the house and office, disrespected my feelings after two years together. Introduced me as “his friend”. Every red flag was there and it didn’t get better. My advise, google red flags when dating a widower. Date someone that available emotionally and can move on.

  47. Well we dated for 5 years. Then I moved in with him. He home was still all intack as it was when she died. Kids rooms with stuff. They moved out left it all. Pictures on the walls if her and him. Picture in the bedroom if her. I made a few changes In these five years. Have talked about how this house doesn’t feel like mine. We need more we did a few changes I have not been happy living here for a couple years. Then my daughter move up here this may. We talked bout her moving here. He never communicates. Which Im the communicator, he is my silent partner. Down ever spell his feelings. I have even asked about our future and just cloth ears. So I found her and I am apartment to share moved out in July. I. Glad but I misd him dearly!!
    He still hasn’t changed much it even discussed it.
    I feel happy having my own space my thing gave been in his house in boxes for 5 years. It was the fore to me move to my own
    I want to still have a relationship. Maybe this will motivate him to clear out his house. I often said want to have a house we can call ours. He also has a lake house that he owns that is not finished building. He and his late wife built. He doesn’t have a kitchen
    Thanks for the tip here I get very depressed at times
    Missing him.we do have a lot in common and and fun together. Miss him dearly

  48. It’s a tough call, Parker. My husband is 9 years older – 71 – and I definitely do worry sometimes about what’s in our future. But I wouldn’t give up what we’ve had for the past 15 years. We never know what’s coming, right? So if something potentially wonderful is right in front of you, I lean toward going for it. Hugs. Bp

  49. I’m currently in love with a widower. He’s older than I, he’s 57 n I’m 32 years. He have 2 kids from his late wife. I love him so much n I love his kids. I’m thank God every day for him. I even wish if he the one that breaks my virginity. He’s so humble n greatful. He even complained that I treat him like glass.

  50. As a 55 yr old widow of 3 1/2 yrs, I recently started casually seeing a gem of a widower who expressed interest in getting to know me. He is the age my husband was when he passed (68). He seems very healthy; I am trying to be a grown up, but I have concerns about getting serious with someone who likely will have health issues in the next decade. At first, I had no attraction for him. He says we are just friends and can support each other, but recently he is becoming cautiously more tactile. It feels very good and I am becoming attracted to him. (Basically, we share 3 of the 4 types of intimacy already – it seems really fast – just not sexual intimacy.) I am very concerned about taking it to the next level, even though I have started to really like him. I asked him to step back a little and slow things down. He still wants to be friends, and believes that hugs are supportive. I don’t know what to do.

  51. I’m sure it’s very challenging, Roberto. While I work with women only, you are alike in many ways. Read articles here to learn some dating skills. Also, Google “dating tips for widowers.’ Finally, know there’s nothing to be afraid of. Be real and honest. And have the goal of enjoying yourself as you meet new people. There are so many nice women out there! Bp

  52. Dear Bobbi Palmer,
    I am widower for about 18 months since my dear wife’s passing, we have been married for 36 years, With four beautiful children, I am 60 years old, and lonely, and considering having coffee, with a woman, but I am terrified and afraid, please what do I do?
    Sincerely Roberto

  53. If he’s waiting for his wife to come back, Jessica, it would seem he can’t possibly be committed to a forever relationship with anyone else. That’s my take. Bp

  54. The answer is in communication. Talk to him with complete honestly about your feelings, fears, needs and welcome him to share his. Ask him to talk with you and just stay quiet. Listen. Be compassionate, but also watch out for yourself. Ask him if he’s willing to work together to find a solution you can both be happy with; him being able to honor his late wife and you being able to feel secure. Hope things work out. Bp

  55. Sorry Patricia, but it sounds to me like he knows what he wants and it’s not a relationship. Unless you are willing to wait indefinitely- all the while feeling insecure and unsure if your future – I encourage you to break free now. If you’re looking for a committed relationship, move on to find one. Based on what little I know, it’s. It him, girlfriend. Best. Bp

  56. I recently reconnected with an old boyfriend after 49 years my husband died 8 years ago his wife died 2 years ago I can tell he wants a relationship but he’s not ready he wants to be intimate but talks about his wifes spirit and only wants to be friends will he ever be ready and come out of the friend zone he treats me with respect and we have been on dates and he treats me good please help I don’t want to think I’m wasting my time will we ever be together I think I’m falling in love with him all over again

  57. Yes I did we been together off and on for twenty seven years however yes we had our ups and downs I fell in love with him at a very young age until one day i found out that he sent a message to this girl she works with us at the same company on her birthday it said miss you already love you prior to that he had hurt me once before but I forgave him for what he had done this time he told me get the f**k out of my house and he helped me packed my stuff took me home
    Every night i try not to think about what happened but I am very emotional and cry myself to sleep I know it’s not going to be easy to let go because this was my first love of my life

  58. This article was very helpful. I guess I’m just struggles with one thing. My boyfriend who is a Widow told me today that his therapist wants him to bring dark things up. He then told me he doesn’t belive his ex wife is dead, and that she would walk in the door one day. They have 4 childrened together. He is very compassionate, loving, and understanding. I just don’t know if this is a red flag or not. Thanks for the amazing read.

  59. I have been in a very happy relationship for over three years to a wonderful man, who lost his wife tragically six years ago. He makes me feel like the most important woman in the room when we are alone together. However, I personally struggle with the seemingly constant reminder of his late wife. We cannot get together with friends or family without a reminder about what a wonderful woman she was. He is also guilty of taking us on trips down memory lane – almost daily. At the beginning of our relationship, we both talked deeply about our collective losses – his wife’s passing, and my divorce. He shared in great detail his love story. He even shared his diary that he and his wife kept at the beginning of their relationship, letters, and private photos. I know intimately things about their life together that most couples would not find it appropriate to share. At the time, to be honest, I wanted to know it all. It felt like the right thing to do in order to really know and understand him, and where he was coming from. Fast forward to now – where we are an established couple (mostly publicly – there is still a gray area when it comes to social media). We are still living in separate houses, although we spend most of our free time together. Our children are all encouraged to spend time together as well, and we have had a lot of good times with all of our boys hanging out. We talk – casually – about when we will move in together, but the discussions are typically cut short, as I feel he is not ready (and maybe I am not either). My reservations lie in the fact that his late wife is still very much a part of his home. Her pictures, collections, and footprint are still ever-present. He continues to reference her in improvements he has done to their home (“she always wanted to do this”), even though he asked me my opinions during the renovations. It is almost as if his identity will always be tied to her, and I sometimes perceive myself as the consolation prize at the end of the day. My own hang-ups stem from having overcome a marriage that ended in divorce. I ended my marriage – which was filled with infidelity, verbal and mental abuse, and a controlling narcissist of a man. Our marriages both ended after 20 years – his tragically and mine after a nasty separation and divorce. Only recently have my insecurities been brought to light – mainly because I have trouble communicating difficult topics – and I never want to bring up something that may upset my partner, or his family (especially his son). But I can feel resentment brewing and have finally begun to find the courage to address these feelings. Reading these comments, and seeking out blogs, books, and connecting with other women who are in love with a widower are helpful. I know that my partner is willing to work with me and we are both very hopeful for a bright future. Because no matter what insecurities we may both have, we do love each other very much and can see ourselves growing old(er) together. It’s just finding that sweet spot that will allow things to happen naturally without the appearance of manipulation and games. It’s a fine line and I never in my life would have thought dating a widower would be peppered with so many difficult days. Sharing these thoughts is therapeutic.

  60. I’m so glad to know that I’ve helped you, June. I agree with you about giving her time.She will likely become more open as time goes on. Then again, she may never accept you. My husband’s daughter has never liked me and it’s been 15 years! But my husband knows that’s her problem- and her loss. You may want to share your fear about this with your man and have a conversation. But ultimately what matters is the relationship the two of you have. Enjoy! Bp

  61. I appreciate this article soooo much. I am almost a year into a relationship with a widower who had been married 35 years with children and grandchildren. She died tragically. It has been very complicated, to say the least. At the same time, it has been the best relationship I have been in. You are right, he definitely knows how to be in a good relationship and how to treat a woman very well. He is a good man. But…his daughter was extremely close to her and does not want to meet me. I think he tries to push her, and I tell him that he needs to give her time. I am okay with it, truly, but I also wonder if and when we do meet, if she will like me and if she doesn’t (I won’t take it personally), will that be a detriment to our relationship. I am so enjoying what we have and trying not to analyze anything. This article helped me a great deal. Thank you!

  62. I am a divorced 53 year old woman who is dating a 58 year old widower. I met him on a dating website 2 months after his wife (of 30+ years) died from years of health issues. When we met, I felt like he wasn’t ready to date, so I waited for 6 months to re-unite with him. Since then we have had a great relationship (1 year) and we have both expressed our love for each other.
    While he has introduced me to his adult children, he hides a picture of us that I gave him for Valentine’s Day when his kids visit. He says that he doesn’t want to hurt their feelings. In the meantime, his home has rooms with almost shrine like photos of his late wife. I have been patient and understanding and invited him to share his sorrow on occasion, but it hurts that time spent in his home is overwhelmed with pictures, clothes, items of his late wife. How do I cope with this?

  63. Don’t do it. This mam will use you as rebound girlfriend, love bomb you for few months and then throw you to the ground once you are attached and show you want commitment. He will be ashamed of you and this relationship. Do not be exclusive with him. Until he showed you to the world with pride date other man.

  64. You are safe, Dannie. I appreciate that you can honor his loss and honor your hurt feelings at the same time. Both can be true. If this is something he does on one or two special occasions, are you able to live with it? What would you be comfortable with? Figure that out and talk with your food man. Keep enjoying each other. I’m glad fir you. Bp

  65. Thanks for your perspective, Julie, though I don’t see things the same way. Comparing Losing a spouse through divorce and through death is a false equivalent in my eyes. Bp

  66. I really appreciate this article. I’m 44 and beginning a relationship with a 38 year old who just lost his wife to an aneurism 4 months ago. They had been together since high school and have 2 children together. He is a confident, ready for true love kind of guy. I’m afraid it’s too soon for him to start dating, though. He only talks about her if I bring her up. I’ve told him countless times that I don’t want him to feel like he can’t talk about her. Is this too soon for such a tragic loss at such a young age?

  67. You are so fortunate! I’m hoping my relationship will last with my love who is a widower as well. We knew each other in high school and I k ew his wife in college. I married one of his best friends and they were both in my wedding. I met up with him two years ago when I found that his wife passed away. A few months later we started dating. We sat in love. He has an adult daughter who is 41, never married, moved home when her mother was ill with cancer and has not left almost three years later. She is not happy with our relationship. Her dad is always trying to tiptoe around her feelings and says he loves me, but since we live 288 miles apart and date long distance, this is difficult. But I’m very much in love and hope and pray this works

  68. You deserve a clean start! Same rules apply to people who divorced. If he is ready to date you, sleep with you he is showing he has processed his grief and ready to move on. If he still shows loyalty to the previous spouse by keeping her things, posting on FB etc, he’s not ready. I am not at all talking about forgetting the late spouse, but he can not be treated different than any other person out there trying to find a true loving relationship and not a substitute

  69. HI there!
    I am so glad this is here! I am dating a widower. His young wife of 14 yrs passed away from cancer 2 1/2- 3 years ago leaving 3 young children behind. We’ve known each other since we were kids. We’ve started dating not long ago. Everything seems to be good. He’s a wonderful man and says he loves me. Today is her birthday and I just offered support in anyway I can. The thing that was hard is he changed photos of there family on Facebook. I know it’s a process and a unique situation. I am here honoring his grief and my hurt feelings. My heart hurts I’m glad I have a space to share my feelings safely.

  70. Lost my husband a few years ago. Miss him but I’m lonely and like to talk to a man at first to see if we could do things together and have fun.

  71. Thank you Bobbi for this article. I can really relate to Lynn’s comments. When you lose a spouse to a divorce or death, you experience grief. I lost my husband to divorce and waited a long time to date. The first serious relationship I had for about a year was to a man who was recently divorced and it was similar to many of the stories here. He regularly talked about his “wife” and I often felt like a mistress. I came to learn that he was not emotional available and ready to be in a relationship. I felt a loss when our relationship ended and waited for months to decide to seek another relationship. I have met a man who was recently widowed. His behaviors are similar. So I’ve come to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter if you lose your spouse to death or divorce. If you’re not emotionally available to date, you shouldn’t! Grieve your loss, get good counsel, and heal your heart. I realized that in the last relationship, I was settling for less than I deserve. While I too will always have memories of the 30 years I spent with my ex-husband and I will talk about him and the memories I’ve built with him and our three children, they are just that-memories. They are in the past. I don’t expect a man to accept me talking about my ex-husband in present tense as if I’m still married to him. And I would expect the same of a man whether he’s lost his wife to death or divorce.

  72. I started seeing a widower about 6 months ago. He lost his wife of 20 years to cancer 2 years ago. We hit it off great and we have so much in common but enough differences to keep it interesting. We live in different small towns about an hour apart so I didn’t visit his house right away. He still has her pictures up and her ashes on a table. All her things are as she left them. It hurt me to see this because he is a really great guy and we are perfect for eachother. I know he isn’t ready for someone new and I try and be supportive and understanding. I bought him a book on grieving and have encouraged him to call the local mortuaries to find out about grieving classes, but he hasn’t done it yet. I feel like a rebound sometimes because he has never mentioned to his family or friends that he is seeing someone. It hurts but I’m trying to help him get past this numb period and move forward. I just want him to be happy, even if it isn’t with me. I want him to truly be with me when he is with me, not just just going through the motions. Sometimes I feel like just leaving him to wallow, but other times, I just want to hold him and let him cry in my arms and let it all out (He has done this before) and try and help him through this. He says he needs to work through this alone, but it’s not working. He’s in a rut and needs help. What else can I do?
    Should I leave him to work through it alone or keep trying to get him some help? I’ve grown to really love and care about this man. He is a good man.

  73. Sorry his first wife passed at the age of 45

  74. I have been dating a man twice widowed by 60. I have known him for over 30 years. I knew his first wife, they were married 25 years when she passed at the age of 25. I didn’t know his second wife she passed after a five year marriage. He started dating very soon after both deaths. After dating for two years both wedding pictures are on display in his home. Also there are several pictures of his second wife, including another wedding photo. He had asked me to live with him more than once. I feel uncomfortable living in a home with someone who says he is committed to me but still has so many reminders on display. What is your advice?

  75. So glad! Thank you for letting me know. Bp

  76. Andrea: Seems you don’t have the empathy needed to date a widower. Probably should pass on these men. Bp

  77. Thank you for posting your experience. I recently dated a widower who lost his wife tragically 6 years ago and still referred to her as his wife. But I didn’t question it. We only dated for about 2 months. He felt guilty being with another girl and admitted he is still in love with her. He also has a young son and was not ready to introduce him to me. I was sorry that it had to end because we had so much in common. I’m learning to accept that it just wasn’t meant to be and forgive him for the pain and lost I feel.

  78. Thank you

  79. I love this platform it’s really helping me in my relationship

  80. I’m currently dating a widower. I want the same respect that his late wife had in their relationship. She didn’t have to have past relationships in her face all or part of the time. She didn’t share him with a woman of the past. She didn’t have to see pictures of his ex on the walls, social media posts, or his ex’s things laying around. She didn’t comfort or console while he grieved the loss of a previous relationship, and he wasn’t given a free pass to honor that previous relationship. I hold my widower to the same standard that I would hold any other man to.

  81. Hey I’m engaged to a widower. Been together 4 years. You have to decide if you want an emotional threesome or not. Right now he has his cake and is eating it too. By giving those gifts you are sending the message that it is okay for him to hold onto two relationships at once. He can stay emotionally married to her while you keep his bed warm.

    Would you do all of these things for a divorcé? Marriage is until death so us part. I played no role in how my W’s relationship ended. So why should I make exceptions?

    What you permit you promote.

  82. “Dating a Widower: 4 tips for sending mixed messages.”

    “Get to know the late wife.” Followed by “if he talks about her all the time it’s a red flag.” Well of course he’s going to talk about her all the time if you literally ask him to. You teach people how to treat you. What you permit you promote.

  83. Every situation is different but I have to say that would disturb me. Sounds like something you need to talk about with him. What are his feelings about you and making space in his life and heart for you? Is he feeling guilt? It may be hard but it’s necessary if you want to share your life with him. As I said in the article, I believe a man should be able to keep a place in his heart for his late wife. Of course. But there’s some behavior that crosses some line of comfort and being able to feel a sense of security. This may be it. Best. Bp

  84. I’m dating a widower, he was married 47 yrs, his wife died unexpectedly 2.5 yrs ago, we started dating almost a yr ago, this past jan we went to fl for the winter, and he brought his late wife’s photo and put it on the end table, said I can’t and don’t want to forget her. I wasn’t sure what to say, so I said ok. I have told him many times I understand and respect the marriage they had, and I do, but sitting in the same room with her photo for 2 months started to get to me. He rents a place in fl, and she had never been there, am I missing a red flag with this relationship?

  85. I recently started dating a widower. His marriage ended 6 years ago with his wife’s sudden and tragic death. The first week we were dating he kept referring to her as his “wife”. I politely told him one night that if he is still a married man and has a wife that we shouldn’t be dating because I do not date married men. I went on to explain it further that I have a divorce certificate and that he has a death certificate, in which they are the same… neither of our partners are still married to us. He kindly said he understood and he was glad I said what I said. I wanted to clear the air from the start, because I had dated a widower before and it is not fair to us divorcees to walk around on eggshells. Our pain matters too. It’s important not to loose yourself and your needs, just because they lost someone that mattered to them. We have experienced loss as well, and it has been excruciating. It should be 50/50 and not one-sided. Respecting the differences is good, but don’t put their pain and grief above yours. That’s a recipe for resentment. We all have had loss, and it all has brought us to where we are today. Their (W) pain does not matter more than ours. I believe it is important to start it off that way, so that’s why I said what I said. Now he knows my standards. It’s not mean and cold to say what you need, because you matter too. I had to learn that the hard way with dating my first widower. We all matter, and the various pain and struggles we’ve been through has made us who we are. I pray we celebrate the good times, remember the sad.. while always moving forward with an open heart.

  86. You don’t want to stay in a relationship that doesn’t make you happy. Sounds like it’s quite the opposite and that you know what you need to do. Wishing you the best, Bp

  87. I’m dating a widower who’s wife passed away 6y ago and was sick for years before ..
    We are together for a year now..
    He won’t even move to kiss with passion nor be with me ..
    I’m very attractive and considère myself very smart and self dependent..
    He has health issues . And warned e about his sex performance..
    And the meds we tried it didn’t happen..
    I’m still with him but I’m not happy..
    Thinking eve day to end..

  88. Khadijah, It sounds like you are trying hard to strike a good balance with being understanding and taking care of yourself. I can definitely understand your need to have experiences and memories that are just yours. That is an important part of being a couple. An honest conversation is in order. But first vet very clear in what you need and are willing to accept over the long-term. Then frame the convo by asking him if he’s willing to work with you in a solution that will be positive for you both. He sounds like a hood man who cares for you. I’m Wishing you the beat. Bp

  89. I’m dating a widower. He was married to his late wife for 15 years and she passed away from cancer April of 2020. We met October of 2020 and our relationship moved faster than either of us could have imagined. He originally told me that he was attracted to me because I had an infectious smile like his late wife. Which is sweet at first but when I later thought about it I hoped that wasn’t the sole reason he was with me. He later cleared up that yes there’s similarities but that he understands I am my own person and he just enjoys that he so happened to find a woman who enjoys things as his late wife. We started dating the first week in October and his birthday was on the 13th and I had no idea what to get him. But through conversations he’s mentioned how he has a small urn and he takes his late wife’s ashes with him when he travels but it’s awkward because he puts it in his pocket and people wonder what’s this big “bulge” in his pants. So I decided to get him an engraved capsule necklace with his late wife’s name and the date that she passed so he can carry around her ashes comfortably. I also put together his favorite pictures of him and her and made a 2021 calendar. I know people might say that those are borderline weird gifts because I’m his girlfriend but I feel connected to him and in so I feel connected to his emotions with his late wife. I’m also grateful that someone taught him how to love and love hard for 15 years. Overall it’s a great relationship but some things I still question. I’ve met his family, sons, daughter, sister, aunt and cousins. We travel together to small towns in surrounding states because we love antique stores. But yet when he takes pictures and post them online he always tags his late wife in them, but those are our memories….I asked him about it of course and he says why he doesn’t post me or mentions me online is because he doesn’t want his late wife’s side of the family to think he’s insensitive. Which I 100% to understand but it’s not the not mentioning me part it’s the tagging her into our memories that rubs me in a weird way. Also I’d like to mention he’s a nice amount older than me so when we’re in public at these antique stores he always brings up his late wife and of course I’m sure out of habit he always says “wife” so if he doesn’t mention her passing they look at me like I’m a hussy or if he does mention her passing they ask if I’m related to his late wife. It’s always a weird and awkward situation because again these are our memories and the situation 9 times out of 10 does call for him to mention her but he does…. I try to be understanding because it’s going to always be a sensitive subject but it makes me feel like I have to almost sacrifice some of myself for him because of reasons that are still unknown due to the relationship being on going. If you’ve kept up so far, thank you for reading.

  90. iam dating a widow and when I started dating him he want me to sleep in same bed I refused and make him change a least the mattress and pillows, he still have a picture at the house entrance and refrigerator it is somehow awkward .

  91. Two things: 1) Decide what you are willing to accept and what would make you happy in terms of communication. 2) Have an adult conversation about it. But that said, I’m not sure you are really “dating” if you live in different countries and he can’t commit to being in touch. Good communication is key to being able to maintain a LD relationship. Bp

  92. I am over-the-moon happy for you and your man, Jeannette. You have both gone through terrible tragedy and chosen to love again like the grownups you are! Like you said: Enjoy the life you have left on this earth together. Thank you for sharing your story. Bp

  93. I’m a widow and I met a widower 10 months ago its been great neither one of us want to get married again at our age but we’ve become great friends and travel compainions. we share our memories of loved ones, go out to dinner, plan trips it doesn’t have to be complicated. all you need to know is ….is he respectful and treats you right. Enjoy the life you have left on this earth together.

  94. Am dating a widower….is asking me for sex…..and we just started dating and I love him….but don’t want to have sex till am married,and he truely love..and I know he do..this sex matter is scary me because have not done it before,but I told him no sex and he accepted….but now is asking me.dont know what to do

  95. Been dating a widower for a year now and we live in different countries All seems fine but most of the times he goes quiet with communication. I try to to call, text but he goes quiet and only responds after a good number of days. How best do you handle such a partner as this is eating me up

  96. I’m sorry responses to questions this long and detailed can’t ne given here. This is for my group or private coaching support. Also, you’ll already find many answers in my article and the free book I offer. Bp

  97. Also, he does so much for me and he’s always there supporting me. I’m the kind who likes to cuddle and have attention and he’s the opposite, so it’s hard for me to see if he really cares and he does say he sees a future with me. Should I believe it? Is he only saying it so he doesn’t have to be alone? Am I overthinking it?

  98. Hi,
    I am not a widow but I have been dating one for about 5 months. He is 28 y/o and I’m 23 y/o. He lost his girlfriend of 5 years relationship from cancer early 2020. When we started I didn’t know. I quickly found out and talked to him about it. He is pretty open with any question I have. Although, he will not talk about her at all and what happen to her, which I kind of understand. The thing that worries my relationship, is that he has a 8×10 picture of them, a card of her face she gave him with a last letter written on it and a candle with her face. Those things are in his house. Then he has a box full of cards she wrote and her t-shirt in his closet, kind of hidden. Does it mean he’s not moved on?

    I know he loves me and I love him. I try to understand his grief. I try to make sure he doesn’t feel guilty and shame about it. We had a couple fights about those things. It didn’t really got anywhere. He is super close with her family. He still goes for supper on occasion and all. Which I find ok.

    I just feel that sometimes I am jealous because I feel like we are 3 in the relationship, it might be selfish a little. I’m seeking counselling for all of it and for myself. I’m a counsellor too so I’d like to think I know how to go about it. I say to myself often that she’s never coming back, there’s no reason for you to be jealous. It’s ok that he still thinks about her and feels for her, she was his first long-term relationship.

    Is my relationship going to be ok? Is there too much red flags?
    I read stuff and find myself seeing too much red flags and then I read other stuff that says to give him space when needed and that it’s a way for him to cope with the lost, nobody is the same. How do I go about it?

  99. I think you’re wasting your time, Lucille. You know that, right? It’s clear he’s not emotionally ready to move on to love someone else. Especially knowing they had an unhealthy relationship, it makes the red flags all the more clearer. Run, girlfriend. Bp

  100. I am no longer posting your comments after this as they continue to be antithetical to my professional experience and expert opinion. We get your point: all widowers – every single one – are psycho, selfish, assholes. It says a lot that you feel you have to continue to argue this same point over and over. This isn’t just about them. This is about you not being able to let go of something that happened to you. Yep, there are bad guys who are widowed. And, like everything else, there are lots of good ones. If you don’t have the emotional maturity to be able to figure out the difference this isn’t about them. I’m not a therapist so not qualified to help you with this issue. Best to you. Bp

  101. Hi I am 71 and dating a 66 year old man who has now been on his own for 3 years. He text’s his late wife good night and sends her kisses. I know because he sent them to me last night by mistake. He says hello and kisses her on his screen saver as well. And in the mornings. Talks about where he has been with her and says we must go there.
    sometimes Plus much more.
    His relationship with her was very argumentative and destructive. But he still has a drink and cries because he misses her.
    I get hurt by all this and feel second best. We do have some augments over it all.
    Am I not being supportive enough or am I wasting my time, I ask myself.

  102. I distrust widowers and the widowed community for making others believe that widowers are worth more that they really are, not men in general. Actually, after dating an ex widower and meeting women who dated them , I am confidently saying that divorced men in general are easy piece of cake in comparison. As long as divorce proceedings are over these men are ready to built their new life with their women that is new and not build it on their pervious marriage. Most widowers want their new women to live the life they had with their late wives, in her home, her décor, her clothes, perfumes, photographs , constant conversations about her beauty and awesomeness, the list is never ending and the widowers ideas to keep their wives memory alive is sometimes simply shocking. Not so long ago woman who was married to a widower posted a photo on Facebook group. Her widowed husband put late wife’s wedding dress, her shoes and glasses on a mannequin, placed these things in the hall and their weeding photo above it to keep her memory alive. It looked like a ghost. It would be the funniest thing ever to read the comments about it if the whole thing wasn’t so pathetic. He argued with his new wife that this was the right thing to do and she should stop being jealous of dead so she posted it on Facebook…. and hopefully divorced an idiot. There are tones of this kind of stories by women who date or are married to widowers so please make your research before you encouraging pathetic behaviours. I have impression that many widowed have the competition of being the widow/widower of the year. The more you are emotionally abusive towards your new partner the higher you are getting to win the price.

  103. Ugh. You’re telling me that women who say they are happy actually are nit; they just don’t know it. I’m devoting no more time to your anger and bitterness. Check out limiting beliefs and unconscious bias, girlfriend. Bp

  104. I’ll post your comment but I disagree with you on your angry, bitter, overall distrust of men. Nope, that’s nowhere near my experience- and I see hundreds of single men as I guide women through their dating journey. The vast VAST majority are kind, decent, imperfect people – just like us. And yes, also widowers. Remember that we attract what we believe to be true. Bp

  105. He is not ready…this is what widows /widowers keep telling you. He somehow was when it suited him, when he wanted sex and companionship from this woman. In a normal dating world we would say he was a jerk who took advantage of her, lead her on, most liekly love bombed her at the beginning with affection and promises. Now we have another woman with broken heart and poor widower getting all the sympathy because he is grieving. I bet as soon as he broke this woman’s heart he was back to online dating looking for another kind and empathetic woman. If he decides after few months(after fun, sex, free childcare,cooking and psychotherapy etc.)that he is not into her he would simply tell her he is not ready. I am sorry dear ladies but this is a rule in a dating widower world. Don’t forget that widowers are firstly men than widowers . If they have chances to take advantage of you they would. I believe that there are decent widowers but they are not the ones complaining on forums that new wife is upset because he bought her his lower wife’s perfume to keep her memory alive. These decent widowers simply do not do such things in the first place , they don’t wait until new wife becomes recentful or insecure, they don’t give her the reasons for becoming those.

  106. I am sorry but many women hide their true feelings about the photos pretending they are ok with it because they love these men and they are aware that these men would rather leave them then put the photos of late wives in kids room or in the photo albums. How often we put up with someone’s BS because we love this person. This is exactly what is happening here. I read many comments of women who were pretending they were ok but they couldn’t stand it anymore. These women are on antidepressants or in counselling to survive the life with a widower and his beautiful, undying love for another woman, which he is more than happy to throw at her face every single day. These widowers should start worrying about the negative effect of unexpressed feelings could have on these women’s health as it’s pretty well-known that prolonged stress causes cancers and other diseases. 75% marriages with widowers end up in divorce, which is much higher than an average second marriage. Not surprise at all! Even though these women say nothing at the beginning the resentment grows but why widower would care ? If his marriage fails he would have tones of widows patting his shoulder telling him that somewhere there, there is this magical creature called ‘doormat with second wife mindset’ who would love him and his late wife expecting nothing in return.

  107. I agree on the part about not letting a man treat you or your family unkindly or in any abusive way…of course. But that many widowers have a superiority complex? I’m not with you on that one. Sounds like a big giant limiting belief based on probably very few experiences; or maybe even one. Thanks for your comment but check yourself on that “many widowers are” very negative belief that you have.It may be getting in the way of you meeting a man who is widowed and like the men I talk about here in this article: loving and kind-hearted. Bp

  108. If you are a single mum you should be double careful with dating a widower. Unfortunately many widowers/widows have this unnoying superiority complex thinking that they are above those who were divorced or single so he might look down at you every time you rise a concern. Any abusive widower would feel he is better than you because he made it till the end and you chose to divorce. They do not look at how awful their marrieges were and how loving yours was , they only look at how it ended. His by death ( requires respect) yours by divorce.Remember that your children are as important as his and they went through their own traumas that should be recognised. Do not let any widower or his family treat your kids and yourself unkindly. If your relationship with him starts negatively affecting your kids (you will be more unhappy than happy) leave him, do not do it to your children . They have only you! You give them example how to be treated by a man!

  109. You know it can just be the culmination of his life experience. That’s what our decisions are based on, right? I think you’re clear on what is disturbing you, so you’re ready to talk about it. Be sure he knows you’re not necessarily wanting to marry either, but you’re feeling insecure about it. (That IS what you’re feeling, right?) Bp

  110. Easy to answer that: ask him what he’d like. He’ll be happy you’re trying to please him. Bp

  111. I appreciate that’s how you feel, Lyndie, and glad you made your comment. Though I think we can all be patient with helping a man change what can be more of a habit than anything else. If he’s actively dating and entering into a relationship, I doubt he considers himself married. But as I talk about here, that is still a huge part of his past. Hard to just click that off, I imagine. Bp

  112. I’m in long distance relationship with a widower. I have known both of them as friends of friends for a long time. They would have had their 25th wedding anniversary last year. He’s very open about her and I don’t feel threatened.
    My question is that he’s about to have a big birthday and I wonder if (and how) I should include his late wife in the celebrations somehow.

  113. My name is Irech, I’m a black widow from South Africa, I lost my husband in 2010. All this time I didn’t feel like dating up to now I feel like dating now I want to date a Widower cause we were on the same shoes.

  114. Anon, please don’t beat yourself up as an awful person because of the way you feel. This is a tough situation and you’re not alone. It’s a real emotion and it’s good you are facing it. That said, I think you would benefit a lot from some counseling. I realize you haven’t felt like this before, but there is a reason you can not make room for his past and it probably has little to do with him or his late wife. I appreciate that you feel you’re maybe freeing him by leaving, but do yourself the kindness of trying to get to the bottom of your jealousy and anger. Hugs, Bp

  115. Jim, I’m so very sorry for your loss. I’m glad you’re here and appreciate you taking the time to write your comment. Your words are not upsetting; they are helpful! We love to hear the truth from men like you. You will help any woman reading this. Thank you for that and I hope the “conversation” here helps you in some way move through your pain. Bp

  116. You are so so welcome, Dennis. I’m sorry for your loss, after so many years I can’t imagine the pain. But it sounds like you’re like the lovely man I’m writing about here: a man with a background of a lovely marriage who, when ready, will treasure a women with whom he can share a loving, beautiful relationship. Nothing to be afraid of, Dennis. Just go out there being authentic and honest, and expect the same of any woman you meet. And don’t apologize for loving your late wife, ever. If a woman wants you to, she’s not for you. Bp

  117. While I might be a bit less direct, I agree with you, Jim. Keep some pictures up and continue to love your wife. There are women who,as long as you show them the love and care they deserve, will understand and accept that there is still a place in your heart for your lovely late wife. Wishing you the best. And thanks for your thoughts here. Bp

  118. You’re so welcome! Glad you stopped by. Bp

  119. I’ve been dating a great guy who has been widowed for many years. That relationship was and may continue to be the love of his life. He also remarried after his wife passed away and divorced five years later. Here’s my issue, I understand and totally admire him for the relationship he built with his wife, I love him more for that. The issue is that he could be the love of my life and I feel I may never be the love of his life. We are exceptionally close, have an unbelievably great relationship, communicate very well and overall immensely enjoy each other. He doesn’t want to get married again, and frankly I’m not sure that I do either. But, the fact that he married after his wife died and the fact that he married his wife six months after they met, makes me feel that he doesn’t feel that way about me. I feel I’m at a crossroad and don’t quite know how to proceed. I do want to talk to him about this, but want to make sure that my thoughts are understood and not seen as me wanting to get married.

  120. Mr. Augie, when you meet a new special lady, and I hope you do, then please do not refer to your deceased spouse as your “wife” as if that is still the active status. It makes it sound like you are still married and gives an impression that you might be emotionally unavailable. You are not legally married anymore, you are widowed. Either use her name, or “so-and-so‘s mother” if you had children together, or your “late wife.” I say this as I am newly dating a man who has been widowed for just over five years (after only a few years of marriage) and yet continuously refers to his late wife as his “wife” instead of referring to her by name. If a widower is going to keeps referencing a wife as if it’s current, then it’s a little insensitive and may make any woman he’s with feel like a mistress because she’s apparently dating a married man!

  121. Im dating a widower. Im a jealous wreck. (Never been like this) I hate it. He is such an amazing guy. A true gem. His wife was allegedly not great. But they have kids. So the memories have to stay. But in my case he is doing everything perfectly. But im still not ok. I think some woman are cut out to date a widower, but some just are not. He says he loves me more than he has ever loved anyone. But I just dont believe it. I dont know what blocks me. I love him more than I have ever loved anyone. But the lingering “other woman” is too much for me. I dont feel that traditional need to memorialize her, infact if im honest I hate the idea that she ever existed(awful, I know) Which makes me feel guilty. I think im too selfish or just too hurt from past experiences to do this. I want him all to my self. But I know that’s unfair and impossible. He loves me so much and I love more than I ever thought was possible. But I dont know if I can date like an adult. I feel he deserves better, than a resentful, jealous partner. I know im letting go of the best man that I will ever know. But its just getting harder and harder the more I fall in love with him, and I fall more in love with him every day. This wasn’t really an advise post. It was more of just a “dark confession” post, maybe a bit of a vent. As hard as it is. I might have to leave to protect him from this ugly side of me. (Get this, he is so amazing I have told him all of this, and he holds me and says “I understand this is hard for you” he thinks I’m amazing. And still I can’t deal.) This post makes me sound awful. Please understand that I have never been like this…. EVER. It’s not really nice to admit. But I have desperately searched the internet for a post that talks about this, in less of a “she was such a fantastic, magical human, who pooped Hershey chocolate drops”, and more of a honest, “im a s***y person for wishing she never existed…. please help me not hate her” kind of post. I feel isolated… and if this post helps someone not feel alone for not respecting the dead. Then its worth it. Or maybe I am the only awful one. Either way I feel really bad.

  122. I love this is very informative, and it is help me out in my relationship in so many ways. Thank you

  123. I am a recent widower who lost my wife just under 4 months ago who is a couple years shy of 50 and was with her for 26 years. Personally I don’t want to think about being with another woman. That may change over time but I doubt it. I just found this article and the comments below. More than likely some things I will say will upset a few but they are meant as cathartic for me and hopefully helpful for someone else.
    We all have pasts whether or not married or dating. Those that have been in long term relationships or marriages there will always be a “we”. Asking anyone to change “we” to “I” is both inconsiderate and offensive. For a woman walking into a man’s house that he shared with a woman for decades she is in every part of that house. More than likely most of the decore and furnishings were her ideas or she had the majority of the input. It is her pots, pans and flatware in the kitchen. If the man can cook where do you think he learned that from? For women who are divorced, who were lucky enough to get the house , how would you feel if a man walked in and started complaining about anything in that house because it had another man in it before. Do you still talk about your ex in any way with others or share stories from your past with him? Complaining about a picture or the way the house is decorated because you don’t like it is wrong. Now if the house is a shrine to her then obviously that is huge red flag.
    I like something a woman below shared and it goes both ways for widows and widowers. The widower she is dating explained that his late wife was his BFF so when the woman talks about her BFF on a regular basis it is the same thing. There are red flags to watch out for and as Bobbi pointed out you need to do what is best for you. Everyone can blow small things into big things. It is how you perceive them versus how they are meant. The hardest part is deciding which is which.

  124. Do you hear yourself? Men must obsequious to a woman’s wants and needs but no need for a woman to do the same for a man. You can not have your cake and eat it too. Just because you have your own personal opinions and, sounds like, bad experiences doesn’t mean that is the same for everyone. As a widower if I was dating a divorcee who took offense to a picture of my late wife and me bringing her up from time to time but yet expected me to accept her pictures of the family with her ex around the house and her talking about him that is a huge deal breaker. We all have pasts and either our exes or late spouses were a huge part of our lives.
    The only real difference is when you divorced there was a reason for those of us who lost we didn’t get to say good bye, there was no reason for leaving we were still in a good place. It sounds to me like you are the one with the problem.

  125. Iam 51 widow..since last year march

  126. I can empathize with Augie. I lost my wife of 52 years 3 years ago to cancer. I love her deeply and it’s taken me these past 3 years to come to grip with her death. We built a large family together and are very close to this day. However, there are some areas in my life that they simply cannot fill. I now find myself thinking about someone else to be with. I miss the companionship of a lady my age who has lived life well. I’m 76 and I’m scared as all get out as to path that is before me. Thank you for your incite and your helpful care.

  127. Hi! I’m going through a divorce and will be final in a few months. I decided to start dating again and met a man who is a widower. He lost his wife tragically, very fast health issue not that long ago. I would say three months before our first date. We have been dating for about a month now and it has been the best. I feel very blessed. He does have pictures of her and himself up in his house which doesn’t bother me since it hasn’t been that long. How do I know he is the one for me? How do I know he is serious about me? Thank you

  128. Girlfriend. Talk to him about how you feel! Tell him you think you have a chance to be good together and that you’d like to Find out. If he’s dating then he may be ready to find a new partner. Why not you?! Be courageous. You have nothing to lose. Bp

  129. Congratulations, Deborah, on what seems like a healthy, loving, adult relationship considering the circumstances. Sounds to me like you two truly love each other and that you Honor and understand each other’s challenges in the relationship. You seem to be facing yours with a clear head and pen heart. Like I talk of in my post, when a man loved his late wife he will – and I believe should – Keep her memory alive and be able to honor and miss her. Seems you’re letting that happen for your man, even when a little insecurity strikes. Understandably. Best to you and happy engagement! Bp

  130. I have been dating the most amazing man for almost 4 years now, between him and me everything is respectful and cordial, loving and understanding… we have good communication and patience with each other…
    My issue is that some people in his life are still hanging on to the memory of his late wife and how amazing she was… I am getting a bit tired of this, although it is recurring… I told him about it, but he says I am exaggerating the situation…
    We are now engaged to be married in a year, but the situation has not improved… should I continue this relationship? And continue feeling like the second plate?

  131. I have learnt alot from your advice. Thank you for not being mean.

  132. No, Ben, I don’t think you’re wrong. Since you’re married, I hope you’re able to have an honest conversation about this. Maybe there is a reason that could make sense to you. If not, you have to decide what any next step would be for you. Bp

  133. I am so sorry for your loss, Augie. I can’t imagine how difficult that is for you. Thank you for taking time to leave your comment. We love hearing from men, and what you shared is incredibly important and helpful. Best to you. Bp

  134. Yep, when you read the other comments and download my free guide you will get some of my in-depth advice on this.Bp

  135. I very recently lost my loving wife of 51 years. I am no where done grieving nor am I ready to date however I will when I’m ready. I found your article very interesting and educational for the widow looking for mr right. I think your spot on . When the time is right I look forward to meeting that special lady I can share and enjoy the rest of my life with. Yes she will get 95% but my wife gets the rest ! I plan on using eharmony when the time is right as it seems more in tune with my approach. I’m 73 .

  136. Samantha,
    I was in a similar situation. My widower (now my husband) is older and had been married for almost 40 years, but that marriage taught him how to love, how to care, and what he wants. So when we started dating 11 months after his wife passed, it got serious fast and I don’t regret it. We were engaged 5 months later but waited a couple years to actually get married for a variety of reasons. We lived together in the house they shared and have made it our own. I count his long, mostly happy marriage, as a blessing to me because he loves me so beautifully.
    Keep your head on straight. Keep talking. Keep creating your own love with him. I hope he is your happily-ever-after.

  137. I am newly married to a man who was married for just short of 40 years before his wife passed away from cancer. He was barely 18 when they married. She was literally his first and only love before she passed. They did not have a perfect relationship but I know they worked HARD to get through a lot over those 4 decades. I also know that she was not perfect, but sometimes it feels like the world only remembers the perfect stuff. And sometimes that can be hard. But I knew going into our relationship that his history was built with that lady. They went to high school together. She was his first lover. They had kids together. They bought and renovated a house together. They survived an affair. They fought cancer together. The list is long. So, of course, he talks about her and their life together. The majority of his life was spent making memories with her. He doesn’t talk about her constantly, but of course, she comes up in conversation. I live in the house they lived in. I interact with their daughter. I love their grandkids. I have never understood people who date someone who lost a spouse and expects them to leave the past behind them. I would not want that for him, for his family, or for his late wife.
    Having said all that, I am not always secure. I am divorced. My ex-husband left me for another woman. I was made to feel second best. And sometimes I feel that way with my current husband. Not that he makes me feel this way. He does not. He goes out of his way to ensure that I am not second best. But I know that if he could rewind the clock 5 years and discover a cure for cancer, I would not be here. And that hurts.
    But I Iove who he is. And I credit his late wife, in some ways, for how he loves and cares. I benefit every single day from their history. And that blessing is greater than the occasional hurt.

  138. I am a single mom and have been single for 7+ years by choice. Never did I realize that I will fall in love with a widower while I am locking myself with my work-home routine. I met him (through our community’s group chat) while staying home during the pandemic. We live in the same subdivision and me and his deceased wife we’re together in a committee years ago; but I never met him before. We communicate through chat and talk about anything and everything under the sun, including how he grieves for his wife and how it’s hard for him to cope with her wife’s absence (they have a business primarily ran by his wife). Aside from him being good-looking, I admire his strength and positive outlook in life; not to mention his wit. He keeps me updated on what he does, asks for my advice on their business, and we laugh together often with our jokes. There were instances that I think he likes me (I think he would not continue communicating with me if he doesn’t). Then I realize, I was falling in love with him. I heard hearsays that he’s dating (a married woman) and I got hurt. But we still talk every once in a while. I don’t know if I shall continue talking to him. I was and have been trying to help him cope with his grief but I am not that brave to “comfort” him by giving his needs like the woman he’s dating. I’m torn between letting him go or still hoping that our “friendship” will blossom into a deeper relationship.

  139. Hi there, I have a question that is in relation to dating a widowed man. I’ve just met him a week ago and his wife was unwell for 2 years & it’s now been 18 months. My question is more to do with his children. I think the children are still struggling with the loss of their mum – so they don’t seem ready for their dad to move on. Just wondering if you have any advice on that?

  140. Im a widower that married last year. My new wife is devorsed with a daughter and a deased daughter. She has not allowed me the closeness with her family that I wish for like i had with my daughters and deased wife. Am I wrong to want this?

  141. I’m sorry that happened. In trying to be kind, I’m guessing he was not so much a jerk but a man who is in pain. Either way, don’t kick yourself. You, too, were suffering. Try to see any positive and move one…in a way that is separate from each other. Bp

  142. What site are you referring to

  143. How can I join that widow site?

  144. My friend passed in August. Her husband asked if I would feel funny coming over to hang out, so I did. After a couple of weeks we were intimate. Before that he would text, but now he won’t respond. How do I deal with losing her and losing what I thought was a friend. I know it was not the best idea but I was lonely and been dealing with losing my dad and my friend

  145. Im in a very new relationship with a widower but I do feel maybe he isn’t ready he does post in Facebook that he loves and misses her but its not constantly and I am trying to be patient because he really is a gem but this did shine some light on some things for me thank you

  146. Peter, thanks for the reply. Trust me, I have thought about that–him (I have to say “possibly/likely”) having this ‘side piece’ of booty while his wife was sick for so long. I admit that on one level I want to understand that, okay, he needed his needs met because also, by all accounts, he was every dutiful to the wife as caregiver for over 10 years. Really, he did anything a husband could do. But if he had Ms Booty-side, is he going to keep her around now that the wife is dead? I hope not even for his sake and his soul. I appreciate your man’s view, Peter. Thank you.

  147. Bobbi,

    I have read most of the comments and did not find the advice I am looking for. I have been dating a widower for over two years and he is not willing to make our relationship official. To clarify we are both in our mid 60’s and do not plan on living together any time soon or getting married. He has been married twice, first marriage (12yrs) ended in divorce due to her cheating and his second wife (20 years) was domineering and controlling. I know I am dating a commitment resistant man. I was married once and ending in divorce due to him cheating. I understand being commitment resistant. We act like any other committed couple that is in a LAT relationship. We see each other 3-4 times a week, he calls me everyday, we vacation together, I have met his family and friends and he has met mine. We attend all family functions together. He has told me he is in love me, wants to be with me, does not want to be with anyone else but will not call me his lady friend, companion or any other label. He has told a mutual friend we are not in a committed relationship. He said that he is afraid if he labels us or commits to me he is afraid he will start treating me differently and feeling animosity towards me through no fault of my own but because of his past relationships. He likes being able to do what he wants to do without having to ask anyone. He talks to me about everything but does not want to have to seek my agreement on his decisions. He has ask for time. He ask me to trust him. My friends have told me I am a fool to wait for him and that since he will not commit then he is free to date anyone
    else. From my experience even marriage does not prevent this. So, am I being a fool or should I give him the time he has ask for and trust him? I love him and I don’t want to lose him but I also don’t want to be a very good friend with benefits.

  148. Widower for 6 months after 29 years of inter-racial marriage with grown children, after a three year battle with cancer. The mistress element is a big red warning light. He decided that his needs were more important than hers in her affliction. That means his needs will ALWAYS come first, and his self-love may preclude real devotion for others. But also, it probably means he is willing to lie and conceal his actions and motives for extended periods of time. As a hook-up this may be fun. As a relationship? The fact that he is a widower is the least of your problems.

  149. You’re so welcome! It sounds like you’re approaching this with a good balance of head and heart. Keep it up. He sounds like a good man. I like how thoughtful he is about what matters in life and how expecting all things to be a certain way is the wrong way to go. He sure learned that lesson the hard way. Bp

  150. Sorry Maria but I’ve answered this question a hundred times – in the article and here in comments. You have to decide what you’re willing to live with. Bp

  151. Thats all you can do, Rosemary. Now live your life and if he’s a potential good mate for you he will contrinue to want to get to know you. Bp

  152. Hi Bobbi,
    I have been dating a widower for nine months, and there have been a variety of issues which I thought were unique to us, so I really appreciated reading about so many of your other followers who had similar issues with their widowers and their children. Cindi, the late wife of the man I am dating, and I were in a non-profit board together for seven years. I didn’t know she was ill until the last year, although she was struggling with ovarian cancer for over 23 years. She introduced me to her husband once during that time at a fundraiser I was hosting for another organization. He never remembered meeting me.

    Eleven months after she passed, we were introduced by the director of the non-profit Cindi and I worked on together. He did not appeal to me at first, but we have an incredible amount in common, however a few things that we do not have in common were recently thrown at me as reasons that he is concerned about our future possibilities. I am 14 years younger than he is (although he is much more active than I am and has longevity in his family, which I do not have), l am a large woman size XL, although I lost 40 lbs a year and a half ago), I work hard, but do not make a lot of money. I own my own small condo and car outright, no debt, but he is wealthy. I have never been married, and do not have children, and his children hate the idea of him being serious about another woman. I am perplexed as to how these issues have become a problem after nine months, when they were not an issue before. He offered to pay for an expensive medical test that I put off taking because I was waiting for a commission check to pay for it, and of course I refused because I do not need his money, I live within my means. Other than dinners and dates, he has never paid for anything for me. In fact during COVID-19 I have been going grocery shopping and often buy groceries for him and will not take any money from him.

    I just don’t know how to approach these concerns of his without sounding defensive. He is a very special man, and I feel really good when I am with him, but I cannot change myself for him. If I choose to lose weight it will be for me, just like the weight I lost prior to meeting him was for me. I have never wanted to be with anyone as much as I have wanted to be with him. Being with him feels natural, I don’t have to pretend to be something I am not. What would you suggest I do so that I don’t get frustrated and break things off.

    Sorry for going on and on. . .

    Renee

  153. Lisa he told you his truth: he is broken. Sad for him but you’re the one that matters here. Do you want to be with a man who is unsure and insecure about you, his future…probably even himself? As an adult I hope you’re looking for a man who can enhance your life – even make it easier. Not a man you have to coddle and take care of. I believe in having a good balance of head and heart but where this is concerned, lean strongly on your intellect. Don’t let those old childish feelings direct you toward an unfulfilling relationship. Best, Bp

  154. I met this wonderful man 6 weeks ago he’s a widower.i think his wife has been dead for 8 years he never spoke about it .We got on great liked the same interests. He said I made him happy and I said he made me happy .Then he finished with me said he set in his own routine . Going to visit his 90yrs old mother. Training and golf. I said he had my phone number if he changes his mind.

  155. Thank you for this! After years of not dating, I gave a dating app a try one evening and have met a young (35) male widow, who’s wife only passed 6 months before we met. He had been dating others before me but when we met, we both felt a familiarity with each other and quickly became an item. The way in which he honours his wifes memory and the way he showed up for her in her many years of ill health is part of what makes me care so much for him. When I asked how he knew he was ready to date ‘so soon’ after her passing and he explained that part of his grief is that they were together for a long time and tried to ‘do everything at the right time’ but life threw them a horrible curve ball that has left him with the sense that he does not want to waste anymore time or believe that there is a ‘right way’ to be happy or express love (which he describes as abundant and not something that ever ‘runs out’). He will always love his wife and I have made it clear that I do not expect that to ever change and will support any way he needs to honour the ‘anniversaries of his heart’. It’s still early days for us, but I can honestly say I have never met a man who shows up for me in the ways he already does. From what he tells me he sounds like he was a bit of a pain in the arse in his early 20’s and so more than anything I feel very grateful to his wife for helping him be the man he is now. We have very honest conversations but I try and encourage him to take the more complex parts of his grief to a professional space so that we don’t slip into trauma bonding or any codependant habits. Dating again is difficult for me and I too have emotional needs that are a little triggered by any sense of being ‘used for emotional support’ (which he doesn’t do but occasionally our conversations get very existential very fast and I can feel overwhlemed). It’s not a situation I imagined myself to be in, but I also feel a bit like I’ve found this absolute gem of a human who appreciates how challenging life and relationships can get and think we could potentially have an exciting future ahead of us. Another thing is I am not pressuring or rushing any of the ‘meet the family’ relationship milestones any time soon. My gut tells me that might be a little surreal and difficult for him and his family who are also grieving the loss of his wife. Although I have met his friends who are very pleased he’s found someone to enjoy life with again. Thank you again for talking about this subject, it’s helpful to read abut other people’s experiences too.

  156. Hello there. Firstly I’d like to say a huge thank you for this article ! It was very helpful 🙂 I’ve been dating someone who lost their partner 4 years ago due to illness. They were together 3 years and were engaged. I understand that she will always hold a big piece of his heart and he will always love her. We had our ups and downs but we managed. But there is this one thing I kind of can’t get past. We’ve been together for over two years and he still wants to take his late girlfriends ashes to Iceland as that’s where they both wanted to go before she passed. I told him how I felt about it and we fell out over it few times and I’m just lost and I don’t know what to do. I really don’t know whether this is something I should just “deal with” and pretend yes I’m fine with it or does it mean he can’t move forward from his past ? Thank you in advance for your response.

  157. It’s like I’ve said to so many women, Marie. Give him a chance by sharing how you feel and maybe ask if you can work together to come to a way he can continue to honor her while making you feel valued and special. If he can’t do it, you have to decide if you’re willing to settle with what he’s willing to give. To love, Bp

  158. This sounds like it has nothing to do with him being a widower. He sounds like a selfish jerk. Sorry. That’s my opinion. Bp

  159. Sure, go for it. Why not? But get your feet on the ground, sister. It sounds to me like you have a strong physical attraction and your “moments” together are just that: moments. Keep your expectations low because I’m pretty sure that you’re living a fantasy. Bp

  160. Ethy, Sounds like he’s not that interested. If he was he would be having conversations with you. Bp

  161. BN dating a widower who lost his wife two months ago.the challenge is that he is too cold when it comes to issues of communication.sometimes I feel bad because he does not respond to msges,what should do?

  162. I have had a crush on someone i worked with 50 years ago. I guess today you would call him eye candy. He was happily married and i knew, like and respected his wife. She passed 12 years ago. Out of curiosity i found him on the internet and it looked like he has remarried a couple of years ago.
    End of story. No, not quite. We both were at an event in February 2020. I was sitting and he walked in alone and our eyes locked. After a few seconds, i “blinked” and looked away to the right. I then turned to see where he went, and he was still walking but looking back at me and eyes locked again. Again, i blinked and looked over to someone who knew I always had had a crush on him. He just smiled. I then got up and went to talk to other guests. Later it just so happened that we were sitting across from each other at the formal dinner. I could not get his attention to say hello, didn’t we work together. So i happened to look at my friend who gave me the thumbs up. When i turned back around and lifted my eyes up and our eyes locked again. I couldn’t speak and blinked again by turning to the right to talk to a friend. Since then there have been some subtle hints from mutual friends that something special happened to both of us that night. I feel like when our eyes locked it was almost like being in movie. Neither one of us spoke or even smiled. We just looked into each other’s eyes. I am not into having an affair. But i do want to know if he secretly had a crush on me all these years and neither of us knew it until that night. Should i at least find out where he is or wonder for the rest of my life what could have been and if i had missed the opportunity to be with my soul mate.

  163. Hi Mike. What a good situation – not the widower part of course, that sucks – but that you’re now able to see both sides. This is a tough subject. And you’re right: if people are reasonable they can accommodate each other. Especially people who are in love…or getting there. Thanks for your thoughtful cand helpful omment! Bp

  164. I’m in a very pretty crazy situation. My ex boyfriend whom I’ve always had feelings for and vice versa reconnected after 20 years .I’ve always known what he was going through and waited to reach out, but was in a bad marriage and was going to divorce soon. He lost his mom and wife within three days of each other over a year and a half ago.we rekindled the feelings we agreed to not want a relationship but in each other’s lives and do hook up. I don’t ask certain things, I feel like if he wants to tell me he will. After sparks flew 2 meetings later I’m going through divorce. He is very interested and willing to do anything and then, quiet, distant and sending mixed messages. I don’t know what to do. I do love him and it’s there on his end. But he has told me he’s broken but wants me in his life. I’m unsure of how to handle that because we know each other well and it hurts. We avoid deep conversation because we know there are feelings between us what should I do? I don’t want to hurt him,I just love him so much and unsure of how to handle this.

  165. It’s great that you are talking so honestly. It’s a good sign for a relationship! keep doing that. Don’t rush. Bp

  166. I am in a relationship with a widower. We dated for 2 months then started to spend more time together like living together. I still had my apt. Then he said we were moving too fast so in a mad furry I took my things including my pets home. Now we are back in touch we both admitted moving too fast. So we are seeing each other this week, we both admit that we still love each other but we were moving too fast. He says he is leaving the pictures of his wife on the book shelf because he wants to keep his memories of her.

  167. Hi Colleen. Just remember that how you feel when you’re NOT with him is as important as when you are. Tough, I know. Bp

  168. Way too young, Paul. I’m so sorry. I’m sure it’s really difficult it you have to make the decisions about what your heart needs. Try to go your own way regardless of how others judge. How could they possibly know what you are feeling and needing? Bp

  169. I’m going to have to start giving you publishing credit soon, Mike. I’m grateful you’re here to share your first-hand knowledge and experiences. You are helping so much!! Bp

  170. Thank you, Mike. Your insights are so helpful! This really is one of life’s big challenges for so many. Particularly those who have lost their loves. Be well, my friend. Bp

  171. Thank you for sharing This, Susan. I am over-the-moon happy for you! What a wonderful story. Yep, DOES happen! Enjoy and be well. Bp

  172. I’m 72 and after 7 months and being locked up with Covid, I decided to join a dating site. Joined June 9 and met a widower, age 73, June 11. He found me, actually. It was an incredible meeting. We met in a parking lot, I was picking up my car at an auto body shop and he surprised me and showed up. We went for coffee and talked for 3 hours. He asked if he could hold my hand. I agreed and he told me later at that point he just knew I was the one. Our second meeting we talked 4 hours and kissed. It was like fireworks exploded. After 9 weeks we are committed to one another. I was not seeking love or a relationship only a companion to go to lunch or dinner with and enjoy deep conversations on any subject. After viewing what happened and so quickly we decided it was our destiny. Meeting, having so much in common, chemistry, likes and dislikes, etc. All he wants to do is make me happy. He takes me all over my state to visit beautiful places I’ve always wanted to see.
    I have suffered a lot of grief in losing my brother also. To help me with stress he’s talking me to a cabin on the river for some R & R. He us constantly thinking about me and what is next on our trips. We are meeting one another’s family in the forthcoming weeks. I feel so blessed to have found love on our last leg of our lives together.

  173. Great article
    Very helpful
    Currently I’m dealing with the “ I need time for myself” mode…
    I’ve done a good deal of research I get it… however I haven’t decided if I’m up to it all… he is amazing when available, just not sure the pros out weigh the cons… to be determined
    Thank you for your insights

  174. I’m in a two year relationship with a fire fighter/first responder. 7 years ago his girlfriend/fiancée of 9 months was killed in a bicycle accident. He responded to the scene. This is just the tip of what he’s been through. He has a joint headstone with her, a tattoo of her hand on his shoulder (she was deaf, it’s the I love you sign) and I know he’s been through a lot. I’ve been very patient and pretty much accepting that I must “share” part of him with her. Yesterday, we were out for dinner and he plays keno. He plays his birthday and her birthday along with other numbers that are significant to him. No numbers relating to me. I was heart broken and asked him about it knowing full well that number was her birthday. He confirmed. There’s more to it than this. I just don’t know what to do if anything. Any thoughts? There are a lot of other details with regard to her that have an impact on him.

  175. I have more of a concern.
    I am 53 and dated an older man for 6 yrs. He lost his spouse in 2002. We started dating in 2014. He continues to address her in the present tense as his wife. He would always bring out pictures of her and ask questions that made me uncomfortable. One day I saw on his nightstand a portrait or her and him. I had to make a tough decision for myself that he was not ready to move on. I don’t know what it’s like to lose a spouse. I just want to know how do you handle situations like this.

  176. Widower is not just a “relationship status” and people should never compare a widow or widower with someone who has gone through a divorce. Its completely different. Some reasons why men may not do this; fear that people they don’t know well (like acquaintances on Facebook) will think they are “over” their wife or fear that others will believe they started dating too soon. Or a belief that calling yourself anything different is very disrespectful to your wife. Some may simply not be able to make that physical change even if they want to. Its like cleaning out a closet full of your wife’s articles, you know it has to be done but you just can’t bring yourself to do it. I doubt many men do this to get attention. I do believe that at some point the widower should publicly embrace his new relationship, but that is a discussion to have with the new woman in his life.

  177. Chris, sorry for your loss, my situation almost mirrors your own. I also lost my wife unexpectedly (heart attack) after 25 years. I started dating a couple of months later and it is weird just as you described. I’ve been dating a woman now for three months and she is incredibly kind and understanding. There are no “rules” but it sounds like we both are doing the same thing. Open, honest communication with our new companions (I still don’t know the word) and researching some of the pitfalls that we might fall into. I feel like I am on the right path. I also have strong feelings for the new woman in my life and maybe I have fallen in love with her. If so, its still just a shadow of what I felt for my wife. Good luck, I just wanted to let you know that there is someone else out there in a very similar situation as yourself, who is also just trying to figure things out one day at a time.

  178. I respect the comment before mine, but I disagree strongly. These are not “just photos” and this is a much different situation than a divorce. I am a widower and my mother is also dating a widower so I can see it from both sides. My mother definitely feels uncomfortable in her new boyfriend’s house because of the photos of his deceased wife. At the same time, I cannot eliminate my wife’s presence from my household. This has to be a compromise worked out between the widower and his new companion. The house should not look like a shrine to his wife, but he has to honor her memory as well. I have several pictures of my wife, but I try to keep it to a level that will not make my new girlfriend feel uncomfortable. Like everything else, if people are reasonable they can accommodate each other. If not, the relationship is doomed to fail anyway.

  179. I lost my wife after having been with her for 25 years. It was a heart attack with no warning. I met a woman online (Karen) who is just wonderful and understanding. The one comment I would like to make is to distinguish between “droning on and on” vs. just talking about life. I certainly understand the point of droning on being a red flag, but I would also point out that my wife and I were each other’s best friend and we did everything together. It is impossible to talk about my life for the past 25 years without frequently mentioning her. Karen, who is in her 50’s has a best friend named Susan who she frequently mentions. Together they have a lot of shared experiences. In discussing my past experiences, I asked Karen to think of my wife as being my best friend and to understand that when I discuss my past, my wife’s name will come up as often as Susan’s name because my wife also held that role in my life. I think this helped Karen understand that I am not talking about my wife just to hear her name mentioned or as an excuse to think about her, but as a legitimate attempt to share my life with Karen.

  180. I was dating a guy for 3 mos. His gf of 1 yr ago died. He broke up with me after a argument accusing me of being dramatic. He claimed everything was fine in the beginning. He told me in month 2 that she(the deceased gf) sent me to replace herself. He had a bad marriage to a different women twice where she divorced him both times(20 yrs total both marriages).Him & gf did alot 2gether we only did what he wants & now he just wants to be friends. He always talk abt both the ex wife & deceased gf. When I started asking about me fitting in since he says he loves me? Then I am insecure & disrespected him. He came on strong claiming he was ok& not going anywhere.

  181. is barely 59 too young to be a widower, i feel hugely guilty to want to be with someone so soon after losing her

  182. Yes Jane. It’s healthy to Know you’re not prepared to be in a relationship like this. Saying a widower is complex and requires a deep understanding of one’s needs and boundaries. You’re young. It makes sense you’re not yet there. Good decision to move on. Bp

  183. Hello,

    Is it healthy to feel you are not emotionally suited to date a widower? I am 29 and my previous partner was 40 and a widower. At first I saw this as a good thing for the reasons you stated, but later down the road realized I think it would be healthier to date someone who has had more similar life experiences to me. By the end of the relationship I became a person I didn’t like, and my family was very relieved to know I left the relationship.

  184. Hi Chris,
    Curious what your new boyfriend said that helped you with your loss? I’m in his shoes and dating someone who only lost his ex 5 months ago. His story sounds very much like yours. What do I say to him?

  185. Hi JJ
    I too have been in a quite similar situation over the course of the last year and half and I have to say taking the 5 love languages has helped tremendously it’s helped me gotten to a place where even if he doesn’t say the words “I love you” I know the love is there because he responds and speaks my love language back to me.but I do understand the importance of hearing those words from your man. Hope this helps in some way.
    Best wishes

  186. I’m so sorry for your loss, Joel. I can only imagine the pain. You start right here where you are: reading, learning, getting to know yourself again – maybe even in some kind of different way. You can see many comments from men here about their experiences and feelings. “Listening”’to others will help too. I hope some day (soon) you will feel open to taking your wife’s advice and honoring her wish for you. You’re obviously a man with a lot of love to share. Bp

  187. M: Every man is different and has different needs and ways to hang on to his memories. You’ve been together a long time. Sounds like it’s time to get some couple’s counseling. You’re obviously disturbed by all this and i’d hate for you to have to live feeling this way forever. Probably Time to take some action. Bp

  188. Bobbi, I lost my wife of 45 years last year. The last five years of her life were very difficult due to her declining health. We had a very strong marriage with lots of love and understanding and when she died a part of myself died as well. I can tell from reading the comments that I am in no way ready to start dating. I exhibit many of the sign that I am still grieving. Although, I know my grief is much less now, it’s still just under the surface and can be revealed with just a memory or a thought. The last thing my wife said to me before she died was for me to promise her that I would get remarried. It seemed like an odd statement to make at the time, but after much reflection I understand her motives and what was in her heart. She knew me better that anyone else in this world. We began dating at 15. Right now the idea of getting remarried seems so remote. But, with time I could see the possibility of dating again. I cherish the institution of marriage and yes falling in love again. But where on earth do I start? Dating at my age (65) seems so daunting to me. Thanks for your website and to those who share their stories, opinions and advice on a very painful subject.

  189. Hello, I have been dating a widower for 7 years. Much of the time we have been apart due to my work. He lost his wife 13 years ago after a progressively debilitating illness. He said many times that their marriage was not great and he was thinking of leaving. But once she was diagnosed he stayed by her. Great attribute in a guy! I feel, however, that he is still living in the past. He talks about her all the time and every significant date has a related Facebook post. In any attempt to express my feelings about any of this he gets defensive. He has offered me to move into his home, but I cannot do it. He even is trying to keep the paint the same because his wife had decorated. He is a loving, caring and supportive man. He has stood by me. But I feel like I am living in the shadow. Do some guys just want it both ways?

    Thank you

  190. Hi Bobbi.
    The widower who broke up with me came back and asked me out after 2 weeks. I did go out with him again and he didnt mention her at all. I really do love this man; he is good to me in many ways. I am trying to get passed the thought that if he truly loved me, he would not have broken what we had. But, then I told myself that maybe I was the first person who ever shared those feelings with him (in a romantic relationship) and he might not have known how to take it and maybe needed that time to process what might have felt like a sucker-punch to him. I’m taking it a moment at a time. Thank you for your earlier response.

  191. Actually, I agree it would feel really bad, though I think there are different reasons men do that. Like so many other complexities in these relationships, this situation requires honest conversation. If ultimately he still feels widowed and not in a relationship, yes, that is important to understand and then decide how you would want to handle that. Or not. Good points, Ella. Bp

  192. I can see why it upsets her though it is a habit for you. Just like breaking any other habit it takes continuous work and focus to change. Soundsl like you’re trying to do that. Keep talking to your wife and ask her what might you be able to do or say to help her when yo do slip. Best to you and your wife, Rob.

  193. These are just photos. He can put them in the photo album like people did in past. If thousands of women feel uncomfortable around those photos maybe it’s time to acknowledge this instead of accusing these women of being immature and not compassionate and therefore introducing insecurities into the new relationship. Why widowers are not so compassionate about family photos of divorced partners? There are children involved too and for their sake there should be family photos on the walls. Unfortunately most widowed would throw tantrums if women insisted on keeping their photos on the walls of their handsome, young looking ex husbands whom they once loved dearly holding their beautiful babies in their strong arms or maybe kissing and all happy wedding photos(for kids sake obviously)

  194. Women should stop getting themselves into serious relationships because of great potential of the man. Not so perfect divorced man who loves me dearly would be much better than a perfect widower (great potential) who will always love another woman and make me his just companionship until he is reunited with her in heaven.

  195. I so disagree with you on this one. Imagine if divorcee would call herself divorce even being married to a new husband or single calling them self single while being in relationship. Widower is just a relationship status. I do not understand while some widowers who are in new relationships that are serious, not hidden from family and friends, keep their relationship status on Facebook as ‘widower’ when they have choice ‘in relationship with’. Does the status ‘widower’ brings them more attention, seriousness? I do not get it.

  196. These are just photos. He can put them in the photo album like people did in past. If thousands of women feel uncomfortable around those photos maybe it’s time to acknowledge this instead of accusing these women of being immature and not compassionate and therefore introducing insecurities into the new relationship. Why widowers are not so compassionate about family photos of divorced partners? There are children involved too and for their sake there should be family photos on the walls. Unfortunately most widowed would throw tantrums if women insisted on keeping their photos on the walls of their handsome, young looking ex husbands whom they once loved dearly holding their beautiful babies in their strong arms or maybe kissing and all happy wedding photos(for kids sake obviously)

  197. Hi My name is Rob and I’ve been a widower for 7 years now. I was married for 15 years. Well I started dating in 2018, and got married last year. I sometimes slip up and call my new wife my decreased wife’s. Name. It makes her feel really bad and I feel bad when it happens. Is that a normal thing, and what can I do to stop this from happening?

  198. Thanks for the advise

  199. Hi JJ. There is probably a deeply rooted reason he can’t say the words. Likely goes far back in his life. If you can’t or won’t you’re going to have to decide if you can live with it. If all else tells you he’s committed, can that be enough for you? Explore what you must have to feel safe and secure. If you need the words, he may not be the man. But do you?? Bp

  200. Sorry to say but i think you know how to feel, you just don’t want to feel it. If you’re looking for a committed relationship- especially marriage – he’s probably not The man for you. Bp

  201. I meant to add that left her in 2014 and she killed herself in 2015.

  202. I’m dating a widower. He had separated from his wife months before she killed herself. When we first tried to date in 2018/19, we never even kissed and he seemed extremely nervous around me, almost scared of me. He blew me off a few times and I stopped seeing him and dated someone else last summer. I couldn’t get him out of my head, so I reached out to him and we started dating, again. It took 6 months before we really kissed and finally became intimate. I am head over heels in love with him and, even though his actions and what he says to me clearly indicated that he loves me, he can’t say those words. I feel very awkward saying “I love you” without any response from him. What hurts is I feel that he does love me (he’s “in love” with me) but he cannot say those words. I’ve been very patient and enjoy his stories about life with her, before her mental illness got worse. He tells me to just be me and it’s fine for me to express my love but he’s unable to, unsure that he’s “in love” with me. But everything else about what he does and says shows me that he is. This is very difficult for me.

  203. Hi
    I am a divorcee with two daughters. I met a widower on a dating site four years after he lost his wife to cancer, they had a son who is now 15 years old. He is such a wonderful person and wants my girls and i to move in with him as its been a long distance relationship. However, he has not promised any commitment in the form of marriage and was very upfront about it. He believes that a person only marries once in their life. I’m a bit sad about that as i dont want to be the other woman in his life, i would love to be his wife one day. He has a photo of her in the living room and one at his office and i am ok with that. we do speak about her as he is of the opinion that if we dont keep a persons memory alive, we might forget them. I am ok with that as they share a son together and many happy years of marriage. i just dont know how i feel about him not wanting a formal commitment.

  204. Good for you for expressing your needs but He apparently wasn’t ready, or you weren’t The One for him. It’s a bummer, but time to move on. Bp

  205. I’m sorry that happened, Kathleen, but I think you know the answer. Move on. He’s not ready. Bp

  206. The widower I was dating broke up with me when I told him I wondered if he was ready to love me ther. Way I needed and wanted to be loved. I told him I felt small and unimportant when he often talked about her. I was very nice and calm and shakey voices because I feared the worst and he broke up with me.

  207. I meet this guy three months ago he’s a widower I have never dated one before we spend time together but now he just broke up with me saying he misses his wife I have feeling for him what should I do.

  208. Certainly, your choice but acknowledging/celebrating her once per year doesn’t see to be overboard. I suggest that you get my free report on Dating a Widower to get some other POVs. Bp

  209. He doesn’t have pictures on the walls but he just celebrated their wedding anniversary after her being dead for 4 years. I tried to understand and gave him some space but enough!

  210. I met this great guy 20 years ago. We were crazy for each other. Issue: he was in a troubled marriage and had young kids. Fast forward to Jan 2019–he reached out to me and told me that he lost his mother and wife in the previous two year span. He told me that he thought about me every day for the last 20
    years and once we started talking it was the same as when we first met. We were madly in love. Now he is suddenly feeling some guilt and things have slowed down. It’s especially hard from Dec – July with the holidays, birthdays and anniversaries. I just want to know what I can do to support him and help him to feel better.

  211. I am a 31 year old living in Africa and recently dating a 52 year old African living in the UK… I find it quite hard to connect because he is very straightforward with his replys to my question and am very careful to talk about his dead wife or life with her…j like him very much..what’s ur advice

  212. How do I get a reliable widower to marry? I’m based in Lagos Nigeria. Five years running I want to remarry. I’m a young widow 51 wt three kids 28,26&19

  213. Thanks. But I’m asking what do people think is the general mindset of a man in that situation. I’m not going to ask him “is it customary for a man to end up with…” I’m especially interested to get a man’s–a widower’s opinion on my questions; to learn how they might reason those matters. Thanks, though.

  214. All of these questions are questions you should be talking too and asking him and sharing with him your concerns. If you want a mature relationship then you also have to do your part to make it one

  215. So my boyfriends wife committed suicide about 20 months ago if my memory serves right. And we have been dating for about 6 months now and about to move in together. I just want to know if there is anything I can do to reassure him that I won’t do the same. I do have depression and he always gets worried when I seem down, I just don’t want him to worry all the time.

  216. I am interested in this widower and he has kids how do I behave around his kids

  217. Dave, that is an excellent post. Very insightful. I like your introspection. Hang in there. Give it time. [When MY post from today Sun. June 7, 2020, is approved to this site, I hope you lend your thoughts.] Thank you.

  218. My question is for Bobbi, WIDOWERS [please!!] and any who can relate:
    A man, 64, just lost his wife 4 wks ago, after a 10 yr battle with cancer. He was VERY dutiful.
    I’m an oncology nurse (not hers) and he and I have casually talked for a year (mutual friends). He finds me beautiful, smart, etc. We have mutual respect.

    His wife a ‘BFF’, yes; but he says he has some other “BFF” (maybe for 4 years; I think ‘with benefits’, though he didn’t admit that part). QUESTIONS:

    1) How likely is a Widower to eventually end up with/later marry the mistress he had during the wife’s prolonged illness? Or will he cut her off in his new life?

    2) After a 10 year battle and much pull on his health, might he take a long time to get serious again, or maybe (after ‘x’ long–a year?) think…’I’m getting up in age, not many years left, let me find a new love?’ AND…

    3) I’ve thought to soon offer him to stay at my home for 2-3 nights (with his 2 dogs), simply if he just wants a place out of his house for a few nights. There will NOT be sex. I am not going to be his launchpad, trial balloon, etc. But I have nice mountain views in TN, etc. It would be relaxing. I’ll cook. Let him cry, sleep, be silent, whatever. Is that too much…? Thank you to all who can comment.

  219. He mentions her all the time. I understand that is alot of what he experienced. But that seems his focus. I am just wondering if he is ready to move forward. or live in the past. After 5 years he still has her very present in his house. Is this the norm or is he just not wanting to let go.
    ?

  220. I was in a relationship with a widower for almost 18 months. We met 8 weeks after his wife passed. He actively looked online and said he was ready. We broke up for a day last July then a longer split come August, reuniting in October. He preferred to say we were on a break but it didn’t feel like that to me.
    We were very much in love and dated privately for four months before I met his daughter (13) . We got on well but when I started going to the house an atmosphere began then daughter threw tantrums whenever we went out, which she was never disciplined for.
    I was extremely patient but found this all upsetting as I had no control over anything.
    When we got back together I went back to the house, some of the photos had been taken down as he’d been decorating. The wedding photo remained by his bedside table though and this was hard to see!
    At Christmas he gave his daughter a card signed from mum and dad. I turned up on Christmas night to see photos all over the hall. He said this was because family were round the previous day.
    He asked me to move in and was certain he was ready so I did so in February. His daughter started mood swings again, the day after I moved in. We went away that weekend and she was a nightmare.
    Everything was ok when we returned to work and school until we got into lockdown. I felt like she had an agenda to get rid of me. Started an argument with him on my birthday which ruined the evening, didn’t speak to me much, looked right through me, no thanks for anything, made me feel uncomfortable in the house. He allowed it because of “their circumstances “.
    One day he hit rock bottom and I went with him to his wife’s memorial plaque. Literally picked him up from the floor.
    Three weeks later he turned again, within the space of two hours. He says he can’t do this, we’re incompatible, daughter not happy, better with the two of them. He told me to leave that night so I had to move back into my parents house.
    I’m devastated that this happened and he has shown remorse but doesn’t regret anything. All I did was love them both and it’s been thrown in my face.
    He won’t seek counselling for him or his daughter and has pushed all family away. I gave up so much for him and his daughter but look where it’s got me.

  221. It is not a reasonable expectation that the family eliminate pictures of their Mother. Even for him to eliminate them. I think you need to work on your sense of confidence and compassion. Best. Bp

  222. Don’t just wait. Keep communicating and understanding how he feels, and if it’s right for YOU if you stay. Bp

  223. Thank you so much for sharing this tip on dating a widower. I was 25 when i met this man in january 2019 . His wife died of kidney failure in 2018. We started quite well, he said he was ready to start afresh, but along the line things are becoming cold and he has 2kids they love me alot and always asking after. Yes he grief in anniversaries and birthday and i understand. But it can be so difficult when i he calls and i say i love u and no response. But with ur tips i guess i won’t be too hard on myself. Ama let it low till he comes around

  224. You’re so welcome, Terri. I hope you and you lovely man find a way to each other in a loving relationship. Bp

  225. Thank YOU for letting me know how you feel, Shanda. I appreciate hearing that my words are taken in the kind and thoughtful way they are intended. Bp

  226. Good Morning!
    I’ve been with a widowed man for about a year and a half. We are going to take our relationship but there is one thing that hurts me a lot is seeing his photos with his late wife. When I go to the family home I always see these photos and it costs me a lot because he started another life and the family should understand and have good sense. What does Dr. tell me about this.
    Thanks.

  227. Laura, my gosh that is horrible. I’m so sorry. My suggestion is to read some of the hundreds of comments here; many from men and women in your same position. There is no right answer. What I can say is be as open as possible with your man about how hard this is for you. Have a heartfelt conversation. But before you do, get clear on what you need in order to feel safe and loved in this relationship. See if he can give that to you and still feel good about the relationship you two share. You know I wish you the very best and a life a life of new love. Bp

  228. Brian I am so so sorry for your terrible loss. Unfortunately this new women sounds like she was unable to communicate in any adult way. Otherwise she would have been able to share her REAL feelings and given you the chance to either work things out or end your relationship in a kind, respectful manner. My take is that you should be glad to be rid of her. The kindness you showed to Jenny is lovely. You deserve no less than the same. Best to you. Bp

  229. Chris, I’m so sorry for your terrible loss but glad that you are taking care of yourself and doing what feels right to you. You’re so right: there are no rules with this. Keep communicating and being open while allowing yourself to feel the grief and whatever else comes up. It seems you’re on the path to some healing and, eventually, to love again. Bp

  230. Leslie, I’ve been dating a widower for almost 2 years now. Even though we met only 6 months after his wife’s unexpected and sudden passing, he has only made that Freudian slip once, maybe twice total and never in the same sentence. And on top of that, he had spent over 40 years in a healthy and solid marriage. I’m no expert, but that does not sound okay.

  231. Hi Debbie. You know I’m really big on advising women to be open and compassionate, but you need to balance that with keeping in mind what you need to be happy. What I see is that you have to get clear on your boundaries here. For me, for instance, sleeping in the same bed would be a dealbreaker. So is having a pic at his bedside. Especially when that is the bed you are supposed to share when intimate! So if a man wanted that, I would tell him how much I care about him and want the relationship to grow AND that in order for me to feel safe and secure I need him to replace that bed and move the pic. (Not get rid of it, just don’t have it watching me when we make love.) Those would be MY boundaries and I would not budge on them. Do some work on what you need, Debbie. Get help if you need to. And when you figure it out and are able to articulate it…set your boundaries clearly and stick to them. We don’t want you to be #2 ever again. But YOU are the only one who can assure that. Hugs. Bp

  232. What a nice note to Jenny, Millie. You hit it right on: it’s ok to let someone who has passed exist, they don’t need to be wiped out. I’m so happy to see you two helping each other…and all the others who are reading this! Bp

  233. Thank you so much for your comment!! I very recently met a man who was in a loving marriage and lost his wife. He often shares the same sentiments of simply not knowing what to do with the physical reminders. My heart always goes out to him and I actually wish he still had her. And I’ve told him, they always need to be a part of his life, anything good needs to stay, until he decides what to do with it. We are both on a journey of healing for different reasons, I’m the hurt woman leaving a bad relationship but not bitter… never that. (lol)
    Reading your comment just reaffirms what I believe in that it’s ok to let someone who has passed exist, they don’t need to be wiped out. He has young children and I could never see them not having pieces of her around them. They need her and always will. Your comment just helped me so much, both of us are going through things we never thought would happen and we both have such an appreciation for aspects in a relationship that are loving and good even though we are coming from different places. You’ve laid to rest some fears and insecurities that naturally occur in this situation that I find myself worrying about. I know I shouldn’t but it’s hard not to and take can now see that I don’t need to.
    I hope you find love again, people who know how to love and give it as a blessing are precious on this earth and the next man who loves you is very blessed, indeed. Take care!! And thanks so much again!

  234. Hello Jenny

    I have recently met a wonderful man who lost his wife in November. They were married for 30 years and she was ill for three. Everything has been going so well until I have become insecure and comparing myself to her as he mentions her sometimes when I say something about myself – he will say @ oh K did that too, or K thought that too etc. He also has her picture next to his bed. He wants me to stay in their house in the same bed that they shared, the same bed that she died in and the same bed which has her photo next to it. So I have suddenly become uncomfortable in the relationship even though he tells me he loves me and wants to build a future with me. I am very insecure generally as I am divorced twice and both husbands had affairs. I always feel second best and now I am starting to feel like the consolation prize even though he floods me with affection, kindness and commitment. Your message has helped me try to get things into perspective but if you have any other advice I would be grateful. I am nervous that I will bolt because I cant bear the feeling of comparing myself to K and feeling that I will never be as good as she was. Thank you

  235. Gosh, I appreciate what you wrote Jenny. I feel very similar. Best wishes!!!

  236. I spent 4 months in my house alone after my husband of 25 years died unexpectedly. It was a choice I made to embrace the inevitable grief that I believe many try hiding from. I had the time to do this and I’m thankful for that. As a result, I feel that I’m more quickly able to move on and spend time with a new person. It’s tough to know anything for certain. I started dating five months after my husbands’ death. It was weird, but I kept telling myself that there are no rules. I very much wondered about “void filling” and so forth as I wasn’t wanting to hurt another person. I decided that the best route was to be as open and honest as I could be. I’m currently three months into a new relationship. I have very strong feelings for him and I do love him, though it’s a different kind of love as I’m aware love grows over time and that I can’t expect my feelings to be at the same depths that I felt for my deceased husband. I worry about my feelings changing, and so I tell him about it. I tell him when I have a bad day with grief, and I do my best to reinforce to him that it’s a separate part of my life that I must continue to deal with and it’s got nothing to do with him or how I’m feeling about him. He says all the right things to me which I truly appreciate. As they say, there are no rules about grief. I feel alright about pursuing this relationship and have seen no reason not to. Time will tell.

  237. Quite good advice for love after grief. Learning to love again.

  238. I’m crying Jenny and understand and am sorry for your loss. You said it so well. I lost my wife of course I will always remember July 22, 2019 at 3:15 am. Terrible death GBM brain cancer. After dating a bit I met what I believed was a soul partner and we fell in love. She was always supportive of my wife’s memory. Last week she told me she couldn’t live in her shadow anymore. I was blown away. Everything you stated meant to her that I wasn’t ready to commit to her. She wanted no pictures or any involvement by in any memorials or fundraisers. This is after dating 2 months. I will never forget the person I shared 25 years with and took care of her as she died a slow death. But like you I have much love to give and the love for my deceased wife only amplifies that. I hope someday I find someone that can love and appreciate that. Be well.

  239. My ex husband of 14 years and my partner of 11 years died days apart in 2016. When it came time to think about dating, I wanted to date a widower because, right or wrong, I felt that only someone who had such loss could understand. I have been dating a widower that suddenly lost his wife of 10 years in 2017. At first, it was difficult to see him wear his wedding ring and hear his wife’s voice on the answering machine. After a couple of months I mentioned it in passing. I did not ask him to change anything, but he did. He has a shrine of sorts in his front yard engraved with her information in his front garden. He just wrote a story about his adoration and love for his beloved. He asked me to proofread it tonight. I suppose we all express our grief differently. This last thing – reading his book- feels like it is too much. I feel bad because is is a terrific person. Reading that draft made me feel sad for him and her. It also left me feeling rather cold. I am rather taken aback by both his request that I proofread it, but also by my own reaction.
    I am now considering ending it because I feel so strange about the whole thing.
    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

  240. I cannot thank you enough for your comments. 2 months ago I began dating a man who lost his wife 4 1/2 years ago. These are uncharted waters for me. She was truly the love of his life! His love for her is one of his most attractive qualities. However, things are starting to get serious between us and I am now questioning wether or not I have what it takes to be in a deep relationship with someone who still loves a ghost and if he actually has room in his life for me. You helped me make sense of that. Thank you

  241. I love that you responded to the comments in the way that you did and you were very wise with your words! I feel as if a lot of people look pass key words like “I feel” or “I advise” and they take it so personal and then outcomes the offended. Keep doing what you’re doing and thank you for it also!

  242. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your article. I am a widow of 9 yrs dating a widower of 5 yrs. He and I were very good friends for 4 yrs before he approached me about dating. We have had some wonderful times, but lately I have felt a sense of some distancing. It seems he is feeling some guilt at times about dating. He had a 38 yr wonderful marriage and I understand this and I allow him the time he needs. He asked me to be patient with him. I have loved this man for 3 yrs of our 4 yr friendship. He is a wonderful, loving, attentive and caring man. He is a keeper! Thank you very much for your comments.

  243. been dating 31/2 years. His first wife died 23 years ago at 29 years old. No kids. Second wife ugly divorce.
    He still “sees” her and has kept notes and pictures which is okay.
    He has cried over her early in our relationship and wants me to care about her too.
    Now I find out that she actually was trying to get a divorce and her family did not like him and the funeral was very divided.
    There is so much more.
    I think he feels guilt or lives in a fantasy that they were still in love

  244. Thank you so much for your reply Bobbi and for your brilliant website!!
    Mary

  245. Hi Pat. It sounds like the experience you are having with this man is what often happens in real life when two grownups love each other. So many of us still look for some storybook romance with only butterflies and rainbows and happy times. But as we get older life gets freaking complicated! We have to decide for ourselves how much we’re willing to work and LEARN in a relationship. There’s no ‘right answer.’ Here’s what I get from your thoughtful comment here: You are in love with a kind, loving, optimistic, openly-caring man who has complicated feelings about a horrid experience in his life. And you, my friend, are all-that too. You two are lucky to have found each other and I wish you all the happiness. Thank you for sharing your story. Bp

  246. Thank you SO much Dave, for your honest and heartfelt comment and advice. All women need to know this. So often we go to the ‘men are jerks’ response when really it’s just that ‘men are people with fears and feelings and flaws.’ The woman who dumped you was smart. Too many women get that feeling but still go for it and get emotionally involved with a man who is confused and just not ready.
    I do disagree with one thing: there is no exact time limit on when someone is ready to move on. Everyone’s experiences are different, right? Some are ready soon; others after years they are still struggling with the sadness, loss, and guilt about trying to move on.
    I wish you the very very best, Dave. And again, thank you for your wisdom. You will help a lot of women by telling your truth here. Bp

  247. Mary, there is no right answer here. Hopefully, you two can have honest discussions and you have told him about your hopes and feelings. You have to trust him but mostly trust yourself to make a decision that is best for YOU. It may be the timing for you two is off. Or that he just needs to work some things out and you can try to do that together. Be sure to follow DLAGU Principle #1: Balance your Head and your Heart. Take care of yourself. Bp

  248. Thank you for sharing your story and some great advice, Marie. Communication is and empathy are key, and it seems like you’re both doing really well in both areas. I’m wishing you well! Bp

  249. Thank you so much for your article and all the attached comments. They have given me great advice and reassurance since meeting my partner. We met only 3 months after his wife died. We are together now almost 2 years. It has been what I can only describe as a rollercoaster but worth every minute. I listened, hugged, laughed, cried, he gave love all the time, he backed off and withdrew into himself sometimes. He felt guilty, angry and heartbroken but also happy, loved and progressive. He loves life and lives life. He never compares me to his beloved first wife. He talks about her still although not as frequently. She will always be a part of his life and mine too for as long as we’re together and I’m ok with that. I have had to find patience that I never thought I had and allow him to find his way through his grief. I stood by him all the way because even through his deepest grieving he always showed he had love for me. He just needed to allow himself the happiness again. Thank you again.

  250. I have been in relationship with the widower for almost two years and I can tell that he still misses her but we still have a good relationship he has pictures of her on the wall still I don’t say anything and when it comes to the date like when she died I’m there for him and I say if you need a shoulder to cry on baby I’m here and I know how much you loved her and I just let you know that it can happen I mean sometimes you get the feeling that he ain’t going to love you as much as you did her but I just go everyday and just tell him I love him

  251. I am 65 years old and I want to date a widower of my age more or less. I have never been married. I live in Malaysia. I just want advise or tips. Tqvm

  252. Hello
    I loved reading all your information on dating a widower. I have been dating a widower for 14 months now and love him very much. His wife died of cancer 3 yrs ago in June 2020 he adored her for 30 yrs they have 2 grown up kids. He is closer with her family than his own today . His house is a shrine to her. He has recently hit a wall of grief and feelings of guilt that he is betraying her. He has sought out counselling for a 2nd time on loosing a partner and trying to move on. He is a brilliant man and I love him but I’m scared he will never be able to move on. I am 50 years old.

  253. I also wanted to add that most picture in his house have been taken down except for his office where there’s many. Of them together and her alone. I do love the guy and would like nothing more than to make it work. But I’ve wasted 20 years being second best and that’s how he makes me feel when it comes to his late wife. I’m just seeking direction and clarity if I’m the problem here. Thank you for your words of encouragement.

  254. I’ve been dating a man for about two years both him and I were recently going through relationship changes when we met. His wife passed after four years of marriage from illness and I was going through a divorce after 20 years. Since then we have gotten closer our relationship is good always but hardly talked about his late wife. We both don’t talk about our past relationships really. But throughout this time he talks about our future telling me he’s ready to move on and he’s the one making future plans. We almost act like we are part time husband and wife. We do not live together but he talks about buying a new home for both of us to blend our families and get married. That’s all great and I want to believe we are both ready. But when it comes to celebrate the date of her passing for the past two years he pours out his heart about her. And I just feel confused and a little disrespected. If you read these post it’s almost like he’s still in so much pain talking about will always be the worst day of his life. Is that something that o will have to get used to? I understand if he wants to honor her by posting something like Today I want to honor my late wife such a beautiful spirit you are not forgotten. Something to do with their kids. But with the texts along with pictures of them getting married and sporting events he post makes me feel like what am I doing here all this time. And with the comments pouring in like people feeling bad for him. I just don’t know if it’s me and I should be a little more understanding but if we do get married is that the way it’s going or should be? There’s pics on his social media of us but it’s more like me tagging him. He says he loves me and thanks me for being there for him but I feel that’s a bit slap in the face. Like why don’t HE post a picture of us and say he’s doing just fine and what a difference I’m making in his life. Idk. I read most of the comments but I still can’t relate. Am I being selfish wanting a love of my own?

  255. I think the advice I give and that of the hundreds of people who have commented should give you a good idea of next steps. Best, Bp

  256. Don’t know the answer, Lynn. Family dynamics can be very complex and he obviously cares deeply for them. If you are miserable (as you appear to be) do something for yourself. If you aren’t getting what you need give him a chance to give it. If he can’t do it for you, find someone who can. I know it sounds easy, and it’s not. But it’s what to do next. Bp

  257. I am so so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine the pain. I ‘get’ your last comment. Yah, you are the poster child. But here’s the thing that makes you a mensch: you wouldn’t present yourself as anything otherwise. I know that there are no rules about how this goes, but I do encourage you to be open to the help of all those loved ones. I’m wishing you a future of peace and, eventually, love again. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
    Bp

  258. My wife always said I had a face of stone but a heart of gold. 24 years into our marriage, the Drs. informed us of her stage 4 cancer with maybe 6 months. No warning, no clue. Her needs for the next three years was my only concern. I was fortunate to get almost 3.5 more years. My family, including hers, and friends are the best. However, the sad truth is that I am now 57 years old, financially zero’ed out, empty, hollow and rutter-less. Its been 4 months since her passing and I have started the slow process of going thru everything. I was asked out recently by woman and in a polite way I said maybe some other time. As empty as my life is now, the real reason I said no to this woman was a total desire not to feel that hurt again. I find your advice to women very sound and should be well heeded. In probably in a humorous way, I am a perfect example of who not to date…for now.

  259. i met a widower on a dating site. I had not dated in 20 years other than my husband whom we were divorced. He was married to his high school sweetheart for 35 years. They had the white pickett fence, 2 children and wonderful careers. I had raised 2 daughters by myself working, at times, 3 jobs.My last husband was 21 years younger than me and it ended. He said that his wife was his best friend but for the last 15 years their relationship was lacking any intimacy. We dated 3 months before we were intimate. He was like teaching him how. We started dating and he was romantic and just wonderful My heart went out to him for his loss and it still does. Then he disappeared for about 3 months until I contacted him. The back and forth has been going on for about 2 years. We got back together 2 weeks ago because I contacted him for his birthday. He said he is not ready for a relationship but when he knows it will be me. Than I discovered that he is on a dating site atleast 2 times every day. I ask him and he lies. I can tell when he is on it because I can go into it and see who is online at the moment. When I confronted him he just got really mad . I saw him on a Tuesday after not seeing him for 3 months. It was great but everyday their was an excuse as to why he can not see me that night. He lives 3 blocks from me. He wants to see me when he wants to see me and not until. He spends a lot of time facetiming with his 2 girls and grand kids in Pittsburg but they do not know anything about me. I met 2 of his friends last week on the beach which was a shock that he even ask me. I broke up with him because once again he made an excuse why he could not come to dinner after I already bought all the stuff to make it. Am I a fool? Iam thinking that he just likes sleeping with me and thats it. Help! I really love him but I am not sure I should continue. He also says he loves me but not ready. I have no answers.

  260. I want to know why men do this ok. It’s like they are letting their children run Divorced Daddy to run his life. I’m a widow and a LOVING, compasient Fun loving CARElNG,GIVING LADY. WHY DOES HE LET THE DAUGHTER AND GRANDCHILDREN RUN HIS HAPPINESS. OR IS THIS A EXCUSE TO LET ME GO. HE IS A DIVORCED MAN WITH WANDERING EYE’S.

  261. Hi Charl
    Does this man your talking to from a dating site. Is he in the military? The marine core to be more specific?

  262. Thanks Anne, for sharing your lovely situation and your good advice. Bp

  263. Hi ive read so many of these posts and feel so blessed that my widow of 5 mths has asked me if i want him to move her things . I’m happy either way as i feel he will when he feels ready , not just on my account .
    I think the answers are all about open communication trust and honestly feeling able to be totally comfortable. I think every mans situation is so different and humans are never going to fit a box . We need to be comfortable and loving and nurturing and patient but also know what we deserve . If it doesn’t feel right talk . If you cant live with the answer choose to end it . Children are hard whether their ours or theirs . If our partners love us and we them .. work on solutions or seek advice together. Love and relationships should feel right and secure to florish .

  264. Oh Ross, I’m so sorry. I can’t imagine how awful that was and is. You can Keep reading articles like this and also the comments to start learning about women “these days.” We are all wishing to meet a man like you who is loyal and can express his feelings. You are FAR from damaged goods my friend. When the time feels right for you get help with the dating process. It’s different thank you remember it but there are so many wonderful women looking for a nice man to share their lives. Bp

  265. Sharon I don’t think anything has to do with him being a widower. He sounds like an as whole, girlfriend. Please allow yourself to accept the truth. I don’t know you but I bet you deserve to be treated much better. Bp

  266. He gave you his answer. Believe what he says! If you’re looking for love move on, sister. Bp

  267. Dont ask him about his wife, girlfriend. Just ask him about himself. Learn more about him. Why he’s on a dating site and What he’s looking for. Does he feel ready to date and is he open to relationship if he meets the right woman? Remember that it’s not an interrogation. Tread slowly. And last thing: get on video with him! In the past i’d say that he should be meeting you after a few contacts back and forth. Bp

  268. How about you Read the entire article and not with the veil of believing your truth no matter what. I speak very directly about the men who DESERVE the understanding and communication I advise. Your comment is not relevant to this post. Bp

  269. Anne Marie I cant imagine how difficult this has been for you. I’m glad my advice and the comments of these other smart women have been helpful to you. Keep searching out support from people who have been where you are or, like me, have Successfully supported those women. Best to you. Bp

  270. It’s great that you’re researching and learning how you can handle this. Glad I could help! Hope you have a meaningful and positive conversation. Bp

  271. I just watched the video re: 4 red flags, dating a widower. Meeting family/friends wasn’t a problem, but bringing the late wife’s name up, comparisons and photos all over the house of them together is. He has 11 photos of her or them together next to the large TV. I have told him that sometimes I feel like I’m dating him AND Diane, but the photos have stayed up (we’ve been together 9 months.)….dating.
    Thank you for the encouragement to gently state how I feel….and see what happens.

    ~Shirley

  272. As a widow of 46 years old, I am frustrated like another widower who wrote in and spoke up, about the misconceptions of us. I’m a strong woman who lost her husband very tragically and that will scar me for life, just like the soldier going to war and experiencing horrific things or a fireman or a police officer who has endured certain aspects of their job that most cannot fathom. It’s life. We all have our troubles… If not now… Most certainly later. Mine is now. In this instance as a widow, I want to share particularly about photos, clothing, mementos. Just because they exist in the house doesn’t mean that we look at them and stare at them and embrace them all the time. We simply don’t know what to do with them. Do you just throw someone’s belongings away? It feels like you are throwing them away btw. Everything I take down in my house is a conscious decision because I have to figure out where I am going to put it. Do you throw it away? A photo? A wedding dress? Trust me… I don’t sit there and stare at it all day. Honestly I don’t even see it most of the time. It’s like the wallpaper on the wall. You don’t notice it. But everybody else does. It’s not as symbolic as you think. When you do put stuff away, how does it affect other family members? That is always a thought in my mind especially for my children. Or for his mother. It’s a very difficult thing to do and there’s a lot behind it. I cleaned out my husband’s portion of the closet and simply put it all in another room and I shut the door because I don’t know what to do from there. As for loving again… I am full of love. I’m a lover. I love life. I love my kids. I love my community. I love my business. I love to love. I will always love my husband and I will not apologize for that. I don’t ever want to stop loving him and that by the way… Makes me an excellent catch because I know what it’s like to love and be in a happy marriage. I am not an angry, bitter woman who is jaded by men. I was a happy wife. And I want to be again. I want to share my life with someone else and find that great love again or maybe it will be even better! And what a wonderful blessing that would be. It seems as though I will maybe only find understanding with another widower. I love talking about my husband (not all the time) because he was my best friend. And if I can find someone who would be willing to embrace the love I had for someone who is dead and realize that I can love another at the same time and in the same breath… just like when a mother has a second child… You just make room in your heart for more. More love. If you lose your dog… you don’t stop loving that dog but you might get a new one and love that dog just as much but in a different, very special way. Try and give us a break. Seek to understand rather than assume. We’re just going through stuff just like you might be going through your own issues. We don’t know how to do this. But most of us try. It’s been 1 year and 10 months for me and yes I know the exact date. So what… If your kid died you would remember every detail too. Grief comes and goes. I laugh and have so much fun and I have great days and then there are other days that I am struck with the loss and I deal with it. It takes my breath away at times but I pop out of it especially, when I am given permission to feel without having to hide it. You may have a bad day at work and need to become a little recluse as you deal with whatever challenges are on your mind. It’s just life. In summary… Let us love our dead person and in doing that you will show us that this sacred part of who we are matters to you and you will find out how much love we will have for you. That’s the best advice I can give you.

  273. Hi. I’m a licensed social worker. I met him 4 years ago, 4 months after she died after 9 yrs of fighting cancer. We live together but he will not talk about marriage. He criticizes me frequently. We laugh and have fun but he doesn’t view me as the love of his later life. Sex is infrequent. I seem to be a companion. He says he needs time. I’m 61- he is 70. I gave up dating younger men when he came along. I loved his stability and his enthusiasm for life. I still do. I am a therapist and the people I’ve worked with didn’t take this long to let someone else love them.

  274. Hi
    I just wanted to thank you for the tips on dating a widower. I’ve been dating a wonderful man for over 3 years. He lost his wife to cancer almost 4 years ago. His adult children and entire family have been very welcoming but it has taken some time to get there. As you said, go slow….and that’s what we have been doing. It’s been the hardest relationship I’ve ever been in and the best at the same time. I am still constantly trying to find my place when it comes to her birthday, Mother’s Day, or the day she passed. The most challenging truly is to not be offended. It’s easier said than done, however you just have to figure out what works for both of you.
    I think the hardest part for me ( and the reason I appreciate your advice) is that most of my girlfriends have no idea how it feels. There’s no one to cry to or vent to that will understand….or tell you to hang in when you feel like the low man on the totem pole. Your tips are so helpful. Thank you! I really needed to hear them today!

  275. What an amazing, mature , confident man you are. She is one lucky woman and I hope she really appreciates you. If not, let her read WOW/GOVs stories on Facebook where they share stories about how low many of them are treated by their widowed partners and their families. All over the media I read that widowers are advised to find a lovely, confident, understanding , caring and unusual partners . I would say the same for these partners , they need to find an amazing, understanding, caring and unusual widower to make a happy life with him or her which is based on their mutual love and not on tragedy.

  276. Linda, stop romanticising widowers and widows. Widowers are humans, which means they possess all positive and negative characteristics, some are angles , some are selfish narcissists who use their dead spouses as tool to torture new partners. This is extremely dangerous to picture them all over media as the best possible partners in the dating pool. Many new partners overlooked selfishness, arrogance, cruelty, lack of commitment etc because they were told that widowers will become amazing as soon as they are done with grieving. In same case this is true, but in many not at all and people are left used, abused and heart broken. While choosing life partners we should be looking at their character right now , not a potential and if these people are able to meet our needs now not in far future. Stop manipulating those who date into believing that widowers and widows are such great catches, and much better than others because thousands of women and men, partners of widowed on Facebook groups prove that this is far from true.

  277. Hey, I recently started chatting with this guy on a dating site, we have progressed what’s apping and calling each other. He told me his wife died in 2018 and has a young daughter. We have some decent conversations and have a whole lot in common , however sometimes I find him distant we are yet to meet, I have never asked about his deceased wife because I don’t want to sound insensitive but sometimes I find the conversation flow easy sometimes difficult. He messages me everyday, I’m not sure if he is ready plus I am wary because we met on a dating site and we are yet to meet, however given the current situation in the world that might be sometime before we do. Is it okay if I ask him to tell me a bit more about his wife, previous relationship with her or is that insensitive, I want to know so much more about him we acknowledged that we both like each other but it’s early days. Help he is a very very nice guy so don’t want to give up on him. Thanks all x

  278. Calls me his dead wifes name twice in a conversation.

  279. I have a guy who is a widower which he lost his wife 4 months ago, presently we are seeing but i noticed he ready cos we do communicate about it. During our last conversation he said ” he love me around as a friend but for dating hes not really ready”. i love everything about this guy so is it advisable to stick around till he is fully ready or to let go.
    p.s i have giving him a break for now though he still reach out to me daily.

  280. Nice article Bobbi. I wish more women realized I’m not damaged goods. My wife of 32 years passed away five months ago from cancer. I’m 67 and the loneliness hurts the most now.

  281. Hi, thank you for your good insight and I thank all the others for info on their experiences. I am 68, a widow of 12 years. My man is 70, widower of 6 years. We dated many many years ago but broke up because we were young and immature. Both of us married (I even had a divorce, too) and had families and here we are, 40 years later, back together—nice surprise of life, thanks Facebook. There are adjustments. We are a committed couple of one year now but there are some things we all must go through. The month of February is one we have to take slowly. Both our spouses died in this month and the anniversary depression does hit. It also hits on wedding anniversaries, etc. both of us have had our grief and the processes are similar to those writing here. We talk about it and allow the other to feel what is needed.
    I wanted to say (1) Yes, he will occasionally mention her but if it is just a frame of reference for time, it is ok. I do the same. (2) Try to have an amicable relationship with his in-laws if they are still in the picture. He will have to state clearly that this is his choice to make and this is how it will be. Same for the kids. Our kids have to accept that our lives need to go on. Yes, both deaths were devastating, but we live in the here and now. No one will forget the ones we lost. We now have two guardian angels looking over us. Look forward to the future. (3) Everything takes time. Because we have good communication things have progressed well, however, there are bumps in the road. There will be more bumps in the future. Marriage cannot be rushed into quickly, neither should cohabitating be either. We live a few miles apart and spend nights together, when we can at either house, but we DO NOT sleep at the other’s home if a kid is home. It’s just respect. I have a daughter with two young children living with me, he has a son in college.
    (4). If you have any reservations, anything that bothers you at all, talk about it. Many here write their problems, but if you can’t address your problem with the other person, you will not have peace.
    I do not profess to have all the answers. We are just a year into our relationship but we talk about it often. I guess I wanted to say that there is hope and light at the end of the tunnel.

  282. Hello. This is amazing advice. I just started speaking with a recently widowed human. We have grown fond of eachother and have a very strong physical connection. He goes through phases of wanting time to grieve and become emotionally stable and reaching out to me. First and foremost I am his friend and want to help him through his grieving phase. Is this something that I can do? Or should I leave him be and push him away until his grieving phase is finished?

  283. I became a widower approximately 7 months ago, after 17 years of marriage, 3 of which were spent as her caregiver. I dabbled into the dating site thing, thinking I was ready.

    Best advice I can give – be careful. Women, if you are on a rebound, you can be sure a widower for less than a year is too. I was dumped about 6 hours before a planned first date. She was smart. She sensed something wrong, told me and fled. Another one, the first date was delayed due to an illness she had (I believe she was genuine). Before rescheduling, I ended things, confessing I just wasn’t ready. However the next day, another lady texted me, and I accepted a coffee date. It was awkward as ever, but she just asked me for a second date. I accepted, knowing I wasn’t ready, but not willing to accept I wasn’t ready. Thankfully, the second date was cancelled.

    My point is, my mind plays tricks on me. I want to be ready, but I’m not. I know I’m not ready, but I don’t want to believe it. I find myself compromising my “must haves” in a relationship. In hindsight, the best, most caring response I received was from a lady saying she was concerned about the 7 month thing, and told me to protect my heart. She also told me to seek her out in 6 months to a year or so if I wished. Stand your ground. A new widower (less than a year) is vulnerable physically, emotionally and mentally. After a year, no guarantees that he’s better. I was fortunate enough to have enough supportive friends to make me see it is true that I’m not ready. Others may not realize that until they are too far down the emotional road.

  284. I’ve been with this guy for 3 years. It’s been 6 years since his wife died. I’m realizing I need to let him process. I can no longer wait with him.

  285. Pearl, I admit that I didn’t read your entire comment, because the last sentence says all. If he’s not consistent it’s because he’s either not committed like you are or has some emotional barrier he needs to overcome. (Typical and understandable for a person who has lost their mate, right?) Regardless of which is the reason you have to decide if you want to stick with him. Are you getting what you need? Maybe have a serious, grownup conversation with him and then decide. Sounds like it’s time! Bp

  286. Anyone can read what I write, of course. Bp

  287. Dunno but believe what he says. You are rushing things. He’s not ready. Bp

  288. I think the article along with the endless advice I have given in comments over the years will help you make some choices. Bp

  289. It means he needs more time, like he told you. It’s a hard truth and you have to decide if you are willing to wait and hope…when it may never happen. I encourage you to go live your life and let him do what he needs to do. He has told you to do the same, just not in the same words. Bp

  290. Believe him!!! If he says it too soon he means it. So you have to decide if you are willing to wait and hope…or move on. Neither may be easy but I encourage you to do one or the other. Otherwise, you’ll be stuck and waiting for something that may never happen, my friend. Bp

  291. I have known this widower for 56 years! Our family grew up together! I have been seeing him for 3 month’s now! I always loved him and currently in love with him more than ever! He says he has feelings for me but it is too soon! What is my next step!!!!

  292. I like your thoughts, facts and truth.

  293. Hi there

    I am dating a guy (for 3 months) has lost his wife due to cancer almost one year. He has a son aged 3. A year anniversary coming soon and they were together for almost 14 years. They were high-school sweetheart. The problem is he doesn’t know how to act towards me. He asked please give him some time to grieve and also don’t leave him alone. It confuses me. We have been intimate for few times, and we slept together for 2 times (couple of hours as I traveled 4 hours to see him). Everything is going great between us. I didn’t push him to be committed to me and I know that he needed some time to grieve and I have lost both my parents. I like him a lot but I think that he’s not ready this relationship. He cried to sleep almost everyday and speaks about her all the time . I say nothing and acknowledge him. I never been married and I am stroke survivor for 4 years . I want to settle down as the age is catching up (I am 37 years old he’s 36 years). He always said that if I found someone, please let him know. What does that mean? he’s not ready for a committed relationship but calls me almost everyday. I don’t know how to deal with it

    He’s always busy with the homeschooling. he worked 12 hours daily, everyday.

    Leave or keep waiting.

    I am in dilemma.

  294. I’m so sorry for your terrible loss. Thanks for sharing this, Russell. I think it will help us better understand some men better. (Note to you women: remember this happens with *some men* not all. Don’t make assumptions before you try to get to know someone you like.) Bp

  295. Ummm, ask him to take you somewhere different. And maybe why. Maybe he doesn’t know any other places and that’s all there is to it. Bp

  296. Hello again,
    I left out of very important piece of information. I’m not big on social media occasionally I will log onto my Facebook however his Facebook is over the top with quotes and pictures of her. I’ve dated a wIdower before he did not even have a Facebook I am very understanding but it was too much for me.I am very sympathetic I lost my mom a few years ago but there is a fine line between being tasteful and obsessed. He does talk about her but not incisively we talk about both our former relationships but have really started to grow quite close.
    Thank you

  297. Good morning,
    About 15 years ago my second fiancé and I met another couple at a wedding got along really well and started hanging out with them. They were a very good looking couple and he told his wife he thought I was extremely attractive. Four years ago she overdosed at the age of 45 leaving behind a five-year-old son. Her husband and I would kiss or touch each other every time our significant others left the room or attraction to each other was undeniable. After she passed I would reach out to him to see how he was doing. About three months after she passed we slept together but we were very drunk. We still kept in touch and he kept promising to take me out or come to my apartment etc.. A few months ago one of my friends saw him on a dating site. I was by no means mad he had to get out there and experience the dating world and didn’t like it. I was definitely disheartened that for three years he was trying to make plans with me and something would always come up on his end. At this point I was on my third engagement but not in love. He contacted me around the holidays saying how sorry he was and how he has changed and wants to make it up to me we’ve been talking on the phone constantly he’s very open about his feelings almost like it’s too good to be true. I told him he could talk to me about anything and made it clear that if he was going to drag me along again I wasn’t gonna stand for it. Wow last night after he got home from work he was supposed to call me and I’m usually not petty but I text him a few times and then just told him forget it I can’t do it. Additionally I called him and I am not that kind of woman I always wait for the guy to call first. Considering I’ve known him 15 years he’s always been attracted to me we get along we like the same things spent hours on the phone come from similar backgrounds am I being too cautious or did he just not care to call me on a Friday night. Of course I put him on block however I have no problems getting man but I really felt something after all these years. The fact that he promised over and over he would make it out to me how beautiful I am I know talk is cheap but this was different. So I basically dumped him via text and blocked him. Are usually break up with someone before I get her and I was feeling hurt. Should I take him off lock and see if he calls or let it go.

  298. My widower friend keeps taking me to the same places where he took his wife of 51 years. How can I change this?
    .

  299. I’m widowed 12 years, was only 42 when she died suddenly. Another factor not mentioned in the article is that in the early stages of grieving a widower (and widows) will often go into distraction mode starting around the 3-6 month mark. Among the widow community its well known and sometimes referred to as “widhoe” mode, a period of promiscuity to escape the pain, loneliness and touch deprivation. It can be a short period or go on for years, mine lasted about 4 years, and they are emotionally unavailable until they have stopped distracting themselves and completed their active grieving. This is just a summary of the situation, if you want additional information feel free to write me.

  300. Yes. He will always be a widower. He can be that and a husband or boyfriend. If this disturbs you I suggest you check yourself. Are you asking him to forget her by taking that part of his identity from him? B

  301. I’m dating this man for a year and a half now and he still calls himself a widower. Is that normal?

  302. Am dating s widower and all I understand about his relationship with her was a different one with my, and any time I tried telling him that she is a different person and I also, and he should know that I have never been married before and he should do what he suppose to do to me. We got talking I naw told him that I noticed some thing with him is like his relationship with his late wife before marriage so many things are missing. The next thing was he got angry that I should not bring her in to this bla,bla,bla. Please is really disturbing me please advise me how will I go about this please thanks

  303. I’m dating this 42 year old guy! His wife died November 2nd of 2019! I want to know am I rushing things❓❓ he says he want to date and he love dating me but since the kids mother just died 3 months ago he trying to take it slow and dont just put it in their face‼
    I feel like this I’m gonna have to come from behind closed door eventually m, how is he gonna ever move on❓❓
    Please give me some pointers‼

  304. thank you. i would love to hear from you again.

  305. Hello.Just want to know if this site is for overseas only and I am in Africa and have questions and need advice

  306. Hello Bobbi,
    I was reading your page and wanted your feedback on a widower I am dating. His wife passed away of cancer and it will be 4 years this year.
    I met him online and we have been dating exclusively for 3 months now and met in July of last year.
    There has been a pattern in getting to know him. We have a really nice time together and been physical intimate.

    Sometimes when we spend time together, I don’t hear from him for a day and no text or even “how are you?” or “I had a nice time”. I only get acknowledgement when I am with him. Sometimes when he is over and he gets triggered, he just leaves. No explanation. I have attachment issues because of my own experience of relationship models that were not loving to each other. There are times I try to talk about things and he makes jokes. I have to tell him it’s not joke time. Then he will listen and I sometimes think he just agrees with me and doesn’t understand me and sometimes he does understand me.
    He is very kind when we are together, we have interesting conversations, we laugh so much and when I was sick he went out of his way and made me food and bought me grocery.
    I feel like it’s a lot of work and I am also in school part-time and work full-time.
    I don’t know if I should be patient with him and focus on school?

    Pearl

    It’s hot and cold with him.

  307. I love your advise! I feel more at ease, taking your advice in consideration regarding my personal situation.

  308. I got engaged xmas to a Pastor who lost his wife 20 months ago, they were married 48 years. I’m relatively new to the city and didn’t know him or his wife. The challenge for me:
    1)her clothes, hats, shoes still occupy all the closet, numerous portraits/pictures of them are in every room. We can’t get married in his deceased wife’s:
    1)Birthday month
    2) There Anniversary month
    3) The month she Died

  309. There are tips for you all over this page that can help you, Mandy. Read comments and my advice there. I’m sure you’ll find some helpful advice. Bp

  310. Hi Kathleen. There are tips for you all over this page! Read comments and my advice there. I’m sure you’ll find some helpful advice. Bp

  311. I’m so glad I helped and thank you for letting me know, GM. I love to hear it! Here’s to love in your future. Bp

  312. I’m so glad I helped and thank you for telling me, Jordan. I love to hear it! Here’s to love in your future. Bp

  313. I just re-met a man that reached out to me 6 months ago. His wife passed away 7 months ago. She had cancer and was able to keep her alive for 2 years. He did everything he could but wasn’t able to save her. I knew him when I was 18 and he was 20. Now I am 51 and have been divorced for 12 years. I have 3 kids and he has 2. The only difference is my kids are all grown up and his youngest is 15 which he has to attend to. He still has his wife’s cloths in the closet and when I went to his house he didn’t want to take me in his room. I know he has her stuff cuz he told me. He says he is ready to move on and shows so much interest me and talks about a future possibly living in or marriage together. I am so sensitive to this matter that he has his wife’s cloths and is not putting it away and that he doesn’t want to take me I. His room. I am giving him such a hard time for this. I don’t know what to do. Help me overcome this sensitivity.

  314. I am just starting a relationship with a soon to be 70 yr old man. We are meeting on February 11, 2020. He is coming to meet me in Pennsylvania from Georgia. He has talked about his wife to me quite often. She died of cancer in 2012. He loved her very much. He said he is ready now and needs a good woman in his life. How do I handle myself with him? I feel I should let him make the first move in holding hands and having our first kiss. I don’t want to scare him away by being too forward. I was divorced 2 times from 2 narcissists and abusers. So, I don’t want to come to him too anxious. Can you give me any tips to ease my mind? Thank you, Kathleen

  315. I hope your words help me. I started dating a man who list his wife after 26yrs of marriage. He came on to me. Told me he loves me first. But I still feel like he is not ready to be in a true relationship. What can I do to make sure in the end I don’t get hurt?

  316. Thank you for the advice. I was praying that direct to the right advice on how to deal with a widower and God lead me to your site! Thank you so much! Your advice is answer to prayer.

  317. Thank you so much I needed to read every bit of this because I am dating a widower and I often best my self up thinking I’m not GOOD enough but these words and article has helped me a lot .

  318. Hahaha. I thought I wrote this to myself. You’re so welcome, Bobbi. Bp

  319. Thank you so much for writing this – I’m so grateful for your insight. … Bobbi

  320. Sounds like he may be looking for something different than you. Have a conversation with him and find out. Otherwise you may be on the road to a real letdown. I really Hope not but it sounds like you are friends with benefits. Find out. Bp

  321. Can’t answer that other than to say that if you haven’t heard from him it seems moot. If you have a chance, try to learn from him if he’s able to (or interested in) another relationship. But otherwise sorry to say you might want to move on and be grateful that you learned you can love again. That’s beautiful! Bp

  322. I’m sorry for the loss of your husband, Linda. I wouldn’t say that ‘all’ divorced men are bitter (or any particular way, but I definitely share your view on the importance of compassion. I think you have a smart approach. Bp

  323. I’m so sorry on both counts, Jason. You’re unfortunately in a tough situation with dating. I encourage you to be very open about what you write here. Let women know how you feel and what you’re looking for. This one may not have been mature enough. Another will. Best, Bp

  324. I just now turn 81 years old and I ran across my childhood sweetheart the feeling is still there but it just so happens am still married I talked to her on the phone and that is about it but God what do you do in this situation damned if I know I am81years old and I’m acting like I’m 17 years old I guess I already know what the answer is I don’t want to hurt anyone so I will not do anything just thought I would put this down on paper

  325. I’ve replied to many questions just like this so please read the comments here. You’ll find advice. Bp

  326. Hi Bobbi I wrote a few days ago, really could use advice and direction. I worked with a married guy for 3 yrs. never nothing more than co-workers and friends. I met his wife beautiful person. She got cancer, I would talk to her periodically, for I had gotten a cancer diagnosis before as well. Unfortunately hers got no better, she passed. Through her sickness I would talk to him as to console him. That went on for a few months, at about that point we started to date. I was scared, he said absolutely he was ready. We spent quite a bit of time together even went on a cruise. I looked for signs of him possibly suffering, but never saw any. As the Xmas holidays started to approach I started to notice a difference in him. Out of nowhere he quit me, said I’d always have a special place in his heart and that was it. I texted him in about a wk at New Years, he texted me back, I then texted as to how much I missed him, he responded the same to me. We agreed to meet, he said a little about how he had been feeling, which was grieving his wife we were intimate and enjoyed the evening together and I went hm. I called the next day we chatted a bit, and I’ve not heard from him since. My question to you is, what exactly should I do and how should I act, what should I expect I’m so messed up I’m dizzy. Please give advise.

  327. I’ve been dating a widower (3 yrs 10 months) for a couple months. We met online
    I am 66 he is 62. We live in different cities. We hit it off right away lots of same interests. He wanted to start spending 24 seven days with me and it was wonderful
    He wanted me to come to his city and spend three days with him and meet his friends.
    We played golf went to dinner had wonderful sex met his friends it was fabulous!
    You continue to text and talk to me on the phone daily and then the Christmas holiday came.
    I went out of state to visit family for a few days we continue to talk and text. I heard from him on December 26 when I was flying home and that was it. For one week he did not contact me.
    I finally sent him on January to a text saying happy new year.
    He responded quickly said he had a total spin out over his wife at Christmas and really misses her. It’s been almost 4 years. I lost my husband eight years ago so I understand when he’s going thru. I sent him another text…. he said he would call me in a bit. He did not call that day. The next day I said I didn’t hear from you I wonder if you’re doing OK
    He said yes he’ll get back to me in a bit.
    I said I understand what you’re going through I still have emotions over the loss of my husband eight years ago let me know if there’s anything I can do to help you.
    I am not going to contact him again. I feel he need some space to process all of it. He chased me and chased me and said he really wanted to fill the void and get on with his life.
    One of the rooms in his house so I had all of her sewing stuff in it.
    When I was at his house he said he needed to contact her friends and get that stuff out of the room.
    I replied good idea you could put your treadmill and gym inside of it and make it your space.
    He texted me he’s not sleeping at all and I said neither am I.
    I’m very sad. I feel hurt that he came on so strong so fast and we hit it off so well and now nothing. It’s a big hole in my heart all over again.

  328. Thank you for having something grounded in reality to say about this. I’m a very young widower. Early 40’s. Frankly I’m very angry at the bad advice and misconceptions about us. I am intelligent enough to know that I’m not trying to replace my wife and that I’m not going to compare a new love interest to her. I am interested in finding love again and I do believe that any two people can find “True” love, because true love isn’t something that falls in your lap, it’s something you both earn together. I recently had an incredible connection with someone, but I’m pretty sure she pushed back because I lost my wife and she’s hesitant to go any further. Something potentially beautiful has been thrown away because of bad advice from friends about her never being able to measure up.

  329. I am seeing a man that list his wife 9 months to cancer. We have a very good relationship we are very intimate he talks about his deceased wife then apologizes I tell him to talk about her it is ok that if he does not get it out he will never heal from his grieving we get along great we laugh and everything we are very intimate and the sex is great he says we are good friends I don’t understand

  330. I am 64. Female. Widow. I intentionally look for a widowed man to date and ultimately be my last relationship to walk hand in hand into our last years. Divorced men who got divorced after 40 years of marriage have lost half or more of their assets. They are bitter,etc. But dating widower we share commonality.We understand that losing a spouse is nowhere any resemblance of a divorce! We also know the real value of how special and limited our time is. And we have learned what it truly means “in sickness and in health”. In losing someone, you are trained to learn empathy, if one didnt have it before!

  331. I’ve been dating this guy who lost his wife 4 month before we started dating. We worked together 3 years before she died, and was always just friends and co- workers. They were married 34 years. He assured me he was ready. Just finishing up the Xmas holidays and he has gone into some what of a depression, and I’m not sure how to handle it. I don’t know how or what to do for him. He’s a nice guy and I like him a lot, and I really feel bad for him and wish I knew how to help him, any suggestion? Please respond back in my e-mail for I wouldn’t know how to get back to this site. Thank You!

  332. Christine answered this question a million times here. Please read the comments and you’ll find my response: Have an honest grownup talk with HIM about it. Bp

  333. I was dating a widower with three small kids for 4 months and we started dating only 2 months after his wife passed .
    Just before New Years he broke up with me . I think the pressure of this season got to him and he started to feel things that maybe he was avoiding over the last couple os months . Of course I’m hurt because I was very excited to spend New Years with him and starting to have real feelings for him, but I also understand it is probably not easy for him to deal with Christmas season all by himself for the first time .
    I never actually stopped to think about how this season could affect him because he always seemed so sure about moving on but I guess he was wrong and I was wrong too for not be more cautious about the entire situation . I only saw him as a man willing to date again , and only worried that he had his time with the kids because that was always important to me . I always tried to show I understood he was a father first and that the kids were the priority . Unfortunately, since he always looked so confident about moving on, I never stopped to think about how difficult the entire process must be for him.

  334. I lost my husband 3 years ago.I have grieved for him so bad.we were married 19 years but together 34.
    just recently met and old acquaintance whom also lost his wife.I fell for him like a ton of bricks.He went away for the Holidays.I gave him his space with his dead wifes family.I have not heard a word call or anthing.I am afraid he will come back and feel guilty.we have had no intimate relationship. Few kisses and hugs.Hes took me to meet one of his childhood friends, out to dinner and to a private function involving his dead wifes friends.I know them as well.I am so afraid of being hurt.I am 67 and he is 71.my late husband was 16 years older.I am ready to move on after many tears and grief. He is a wonderful guy I think we can be a great couple but I am afraid I will be a best kept secret from his stepdaughter and family.what can I do .I dont think I could take his rejection.we do live and hour from each other.I have never been ask to his home.Have been invited to meet his neighbor and friend.Now we have a lot of RV events coming up I would love to go but am afraid he will not ask me.what should I do ?am I jumping the gun overthinking this.I am in love with this guy.I never thought I could love again,but I fell for him sameway I did for my husband.I adored him.I have to move on .my friend and I knew each others mate..we can talk about them.I want more than a dinner here and there.should I just wait to see how it develops or stop it now..

  335. I started dating a widower that lost his wife 7 years ago. He has no children with her, she has 3 daughters, he has 4 adult children and 10 grandchildren, I am the first girlfriend and we have quickly started to fall in love but, I’m scared he wears their wedding bands on a chain and the house he built was her dream house and pictures of them together. I’m having a hard time thinking I may be Competing with a ghost. I’m so scared of getting my heart broken, he has a large family I have not met yet. I’m divorced after 40 years of marriage. He’s a wonderful man, I’m scared to death, how do I handle sharing him and feeling I’m in competition.

  336. Sounds lonely, Gretchen. I’m sorry. I hope you do continue to take care of yourself, including sharing your feelings and asking if he would be willing to work together to make some changes. If things are good when you go away it sounds like this situation could be less about him thinking of his wife and more about habit that’s been created. Dunno, but worth a try to find out. Hugs. Bp

  337. I have been married to a widower for 17 plus years now. He has 2 grown now children. He is a nice man but I feel very lonely in my marriage to him. I know he loved his first wife very much and I believe he loves me but most of the time I feel like I am here to fill the void after he lost his wife. He still cries and gets emotional around the holidays and such Ong with his children which is normal but I know I can’t compete with her. I here considerable about how wonderful she was and I’m sure she was. I think I may have made a mistake in getting married to him. We don’t talk a lot like we did when we dated before we married. I feel like we just share a house together though he isn’t here a lot. He spends most of 4 days a week helping out at the farmhouse he grew up in and helping his 90 year old Mother, which is nice. Then when he is home, he mostly reads or is on the computer doing stuff. Sometimes we go away for a few days which is always nice but then it is back to the same ole same ole. I think he just missed being with a woman and I’m here to fill that void. I have gotten used to this at this point and just try to get through each day and take care of myself.

  338. He’s told you what he thinks and feels, and I’d believe him. If you don’t you may we’ll be setting yourself up for some terrible disappointment in the (near) future. I’d give some serious thought to whether you should be pining your hopes on this man. He’s not ‘all in’ and it doesn’t seem that it will happen if you believe what he’s told you. Be careful. Bp

  339. Sounds like she’s unable to give you what’re you need, Gerald. Bp

  340. Hi Tara. Is his sadness temporary around this time of year or constant? I think it would make sense that he grieves around the anniversary of her death; particularly the first. There is the question of whether he is being open with you and sharing his feelings, which is hard for most men. Only you can determine that and how much you expect in that way. I certainly support you looking after your own happiness but I encourage you to think about these things as well. Best. Bp

  341. I love your post! I have been dating a widower with three children for a little over 7 months and it is hard. Don’t get me wrong it is amazing 90% of the time. However right now it’s is coming up on his late wife’s one year death anniversary AND TWO days before Christmas! And sometimes I think he moved into a relationship too soon. I talk to him about it and he denies it and tells me she’s been “gone” for about 7 years. But it is definitely hard when he is emotionally just GONE. He won’t admit he’s sad or that he’s thinking of her. And the kids suffer because they have to see his dad like this. Sleeping all the time and just unhappy all together. I am normally a happy person and I try to keep the kids in good spirits because I’ve become very close with them, but it is difficult with three children who have also lost their mother and act out. I am a little lost because I care so much about this family that has become my own… but I also care about my own happiness…

  342. Hi Paul,

    How amazingly you are handling the situation. I’m glad you are setting healthy boundaries with your family, specially with your grown up daughter. All you reasons are valid. I’m sorry you are going through the ‘stigma’ attached tondating after death. Keep protecting your peace and special lady. Best!

  343. Hello Beth,

    I haven’t lose someone to death but I lose the man I loved with all my heart at the moment of our divorce. It’s been three years and I couldn’t look at moving boxes for two years. It was too painful to go through so many things that had attached memories and feelings. After three years, I’ve dispossed of everything that reminded me of him in a romantic way and only kept a few boxes with my belongings and nothing ‘us’. What I’m trying to share is that grieving is a process. It takes time. Is not about you or the deceased. It’s about him making meaning again of his life and also healing emotional pain. You are in a privileged position to be close to his heart after a heartbreak. Focus on loving each other and consider giving him his own time to come to terms with the lost. Bless you.

  344. Of course there is a place and there are men who have open hearts and can appreciate all the things that you love too. This man doesn’t seem to. Time to move on? I encourage you to seriously insider it, my friend. Bp

  345. I am 77, she is 66. She lost her mate 3 years ago, married 35 years. I lost my mate 11/2 years ago. Married 54 years. Had a soul mate relatonship. I presented this and told her I would honor her. She was damaged in here life . . . All of it by men. She is afraid to step out for fear. Having trouble to trust a man again. I am a Godly man and she is a christian also. I love her and have told her that I would honor her. I did it for 50 plus years. I want a soul relation for my second life. She says that s what she wants. I share with her, like love letters. She has yet to share her love thoughts in the written word. I have told her that I need soul relationship or I can t go forward. Her past pain will not let her take that step to receive the love she deserves. We believe that God brought us together and she will not tell me that she loves me like I tell her.
    I am at a loss what do you think?

    .

  346. I have been widowed 16 years, since the age of 44. I lost my husband to lung cancer, he was 18 months younger than me. I started dating a man 5 years ago and he gets very upset when I comment on my late husbands new life with the Lord. I don’t talk to him about my late husband, never compared, or thought less of him. I was ready for a relationship again and he is 9 years my senior and never been married, and was not able to have children either. So he is very bitter that I had love and 2 children who are grown ups but still my boys. They live no where near me, we talk occasionally but usually not when I am home because I work 6 days a week. He is now retired and a grumpy person. I have gave it all I can the past 5 years and the last 3 we have been friend like due to some very harsh words after he would have a few and speak ill of my family. He talks to his sister 5 times a day who resides in the same town as us, and it took her 4 years to come around to me, and now he is disappointing to walk in the door after work to. I never know what I am walking into. I just bought a lil home to move into. We had lived together the last 3 years, platonic. He has 5 years invested in our “relationship” and thinks it is ok to keep going on the way we are and I have had the worst 5 years of my life! I will be 61 in February and a very outgoing person and he is a very bitter and holds onto anger from too long ago.
    I would like more than anything to meet someone to grow old with and respect the father of my boys as I would honor his late wife as well. Is there such a place for us grown-ups who want something real and to fall in love and enjoy our Golden years?

  347. You’re going to have to decide what’s acceptable and comfortable for you; just be sure you do it with your Grownup Girl mind instead of your teenager heart. And decide what specific things you’d like to happen or not happen. Once clear, Tell him what you told me. You’re confused. You love him and your relationship. You understand but it hurts. Ask him if you could figure out a solution together. Will he work it with you? He Sounds like a good man who truly cares for you. Wishing you the best. Bp

  348. Glenda, I can’t answer your question with this info but generally I would say that some direct communication has to take place. Ultimately it’s not about his family and their crap. It’s about how he deals with it. My husband finally had to have a serious conversation with his kids to let them know I’m not going anywhere and they either had to show respect or it would have a horribly bad impact on their relationship. That’s tough, for sure.
    My take is that it’s one thing if they don’t like us. Another if they are actively trying to create a rift or a breakup. That’s just not ok and it’s up to Him how he’s going to deal with the situation. But you eventually have to set your boundaries. Good luck. Bp

  349. I am living with a widower,75, me 68, and a widow. He was married 50+ yes, I, 45 yrs. I left my home to live with him only 1-1/2 hrs apart. I really think it would be better than my first relationship except his 30 yr. Old sufficient grandson lives with him. I often hear them talking low to each other about me. His 43 yr old daughter tells him not to move by her mother’s urn to another room and it’s my fault, she says. She often calls him about aches and pains. I stay hurt. He asks to be buried with his wife’s urn and told his daughter so to appease her during the argument. I am lost. I love him but cannot put up with the hurt I get if his siblings were not near. I seem to not be able to control how I feel about how his children block the next step to pure Bliss. He did talk a lot about his marriage, but I told him how it hurts me. I live with all of her personal items, cosmetics, etc. He offered me her shoes!
    Lost near the Gulf Coast
    Please find me … Do I stay or go or work on it more?
    GK

  350. Beth, I like to give feedback where I can but can’t respond to – or even read – lengthy comments like this. I’m sure you understand that I am a professional coach who has a business. Maybe you can get help from your co-readers here. Better still, I hope that the act of actually writing all this helped you figure some things out. Best, Bp

  351. Hi, I’ve been dating a widower for about 9 months now. We really began as a friendship, talking through our heartache but it has blossomed into more. He only lost his wife about a year and a half ago and he has two young children that I have grown close to. I know it hasn’t been that long since he lost his wife and I am very understanding of that to him. He is not ready to commit and the side of me that cares for him and what he went through understands but I also have the other side of me that thinks he is just stringing me along. We talk many times every day, see each other a few times every week, have gone on vacation together with the kids and really have a relationship. However, he cannot commit to me and says he cannot be exclusive. He says there is something missing and he doesn’t know if he will ever be able to give his whole self to someone again. He is talking with other woman, he says he is not physical with him but what do I really know. No other woman has met the childerne I guess I am at a loss, he gives me attention, talks to me all the time and I find myself falling hard for him however he can’t give me what I need right now but I don’t want to pressure him based on what happened. Is he playing me? Am I just fooling myself.

  352. First, let me say that I like your writings/responses. I don’t know how, but I’m going to try to make this short. The love of my life and I met in 2003, about a year after his girlfriend died of a type of cancer. I am a very honest, compassionate, spiritual & empathetic woman. So, I hate the weird feeling and don’t know if it’s right or wrong. So, he & I stopped communicating in 2005, but kept in touch here & there as years went by. We began dating again this year & he’s adamant about not losing me again, we plan to marry next year, as he has given me a commitment ring early on. WE ARE MUTUALLY IN LOVE & FRIENDS, and I’m overall happy. He absolutely adores me, and he was the first man that I loved. The issue with him & the deceased ex is, still this year he would reminisce & call her “My Girl” as if it’s present. Then I’m stuck like “Well who am I” in my mind… I let him say it several times before asking “Babe, I don’t want to sound careless but when you call her your girl, it doesn’t make me feel good.” He understood, & stopped. But, her best friend and he still has a friendship, and the friend says “You’re the only connection to her that I have.” So, when he talks to her, they reminisce about the deceased & that carries over to bringing up memories that were put away. He started to talk about pictures that he had of them/her and want to know where they are. I don’t know how to respond when he talks about her now & especially since it’s brought up more by her friend… I feel bad for my emotional state because it’s very confusing. I don’t want to say the wrong thing from my normal honest yet thoughtfulness…

  353. I’ve been dating a widower for the past 3 months who lost his wife of 8 years to cancer 8 months prior to our meeting. We have known one another since junior high school and even had one passionate encounter when we were both in our early 20’s; although purely innocent, but one we both remembered well. At his wife’s passing, I knew her as well. We attended grade school together and in our later years as our sons were the same age and she and I crossed paths many times as we both worked in healthcare. Anyway, I reached out to him to offer my condolences via his Facebook page. We reconnected but it was slow. At first it was just the occasional acknowledgement of a post by both of us until eventually we started having private conversations. About 3 weeks in he asked if I would want to get together and spend some time together s friends. After much reluctance, I agreed. I was at the time 2 years out of a failed relationship of 4 years; one who was unfaithful so I had been dealing with somewhat of a loss myself and dealing with hurt and trust issues. We met and things went wonderfully. We reminisced about our younger days and how our paths had crossed over the years. We spent 5 hours together that evening and he immediately asked to see me again the next evening. He’s a drummer in a band and asked me to come to his show that 2nd night but I declined. Although I wanted to see him, I wasn’t ready to meet his band family but it didn’t take long before we were together every evening and weekend. Within a month and a half into this, he lost his older brother to cancer and his father was diagnosed with cancer. It’s been very emotional for him. I’ve been supportive throughout all of this, however when he invited me into his home I noticed that the home was everything of his deceased wife. The home was consumed with her collections of various items and the home was literally covered from top to bottom. It appeared as nothing had been touched from which where she had left it. I tried to understand and be patient and supportive but as time has gone on I have grown resentful and hurt. I told him how uncomfortable it was for me to be in the home surrounded by her belongings. He apologized and said “I’m sorry. I know I need to pack things up”. One day I noticed while passing through his bedroom to use the bathroom that there were pictures of her displayed throughout the bedroom both with him and her friends and something that really disturbed me was a bag from the hospital where she had passed sitting on the floor by his desk with her clothing in it marked “belongings “. I didn’t say anything immediately but after a few days of struggling with this I told him again how confusing an hurtful this was to me. Now mind you, he and I both by this time had told one another that we loved each other. We both told one another that we were in this 100% and were committed to us and the relationship we started. We discussed the grieving and his relationship with his deceased wife; that of which he had told me had been troubled for quite some time and that they had not been intimate for many years. Within a day he removed all of the personal belongings from his bedroom and bathroom and he said he packed up her pictures. He still has yet to pack up the countless chachki collections from the rest of the home and I’ve been trying to be patient. About 2 months in we had our first intimate encounter. We were both very nervous and it didn’t go very well. Although we had had many passionate moments leading up to this in which excitement was undeniable, this particular moment he was not able to perform. It was devastating for him. I was very understanding with him and showed him love and support. Our next attempt was a failure as well unfortunately. We again talked about it, I was understanding and supportive. However since that time, he has avoided intimacy with me. He is still very loving and affectionate toward me; telling me how much I mean to him and how much he loves me. He’s talked about our future together and is making plans. He even asked a few days ago what ring size I wear. I have tried to be patient with him regarding the avoidance of intimacy and I’ve tried to talk to him about it numerous times but he won’t share what he is feeling. I’ve become frustrated and hurt and I have become defensive twice and we both clam up and don’t speak. It’s breaking my heart. I feel that he’s pulling back into his cacoon that he created for himself after his wife’s passing. I told him that he needs to take some time to figure things out and get his thoughts together because something feels not right. I’m beginning to feel taken for granted and undesirable. I don’t want to feel this way, but I am. I don’t know what to do. I need some honest advice please.

  354. Good morning. My qtion is that, I notice, I have been crushing on a widower and I don’t know what to do. Thou my brother work with him and he has seen me once that was when his wife die and it was since then I started crushing on him. Once in a while, he do ask my brother about me too. But what do I do, I need a real relationship with him. How do I start this pls. It has been bothering me for a month now.

  355. I’m so sorry for your loss. That’s a big question that can’t be answered here. I’ve given you over 150 articles here to help you answer that question. Best, Bp

  356. I don’t think you (or your friends) have much of a chance of changing your men’s hobbies or habits. Best advice I can give you is to happily “allow them” their other interests and find your own or join them. Bp

  357. He’s apparently also confused. It’s understandable, don’t you think? You’re not going to be able to rush him into anything nor would you want to try. If you’re looking for a serious relationship any time soon, you may want to consider moving on. Best to you. Bp

  358. Jan you might want to think about moving on. Sounds like he is far from ready, my friend. Bp

  359. I know what you are going thru. I’m saying a widow of 2 years forr the last 2 months and he doesn’t show any affection toward me. When I try to kiss him he turns his cheek. He lets me stay at his house since I live almost 1 hour away occasionally but in a seperate room. I try not to be affection but it’s not my nature and he’s not ready.

  360. Marie, I’m happy for you! Your relationship sounds lovely. My answer is almost always the same: Yes…talk to him. In detail. Share your feelings, your fears, your needs. Invite him to share his. I’m not sure if a hard timeline is the answer; maybe it is. But maybe it’s more like when certain milestones are reached. This is an article about a man who didn’t want his girlfriend (now wife) to meet his kids. May not apply but give it a read. At minimum you’ll see there can be surprising perspectives and things you can learn about one another. https://datelikeagrownup-com.mystagingwebsite.com/talk-man-something-thats-bugging/ you Bp

  361. I’ve been divorced for over 4 year and met a widower 3 months ago. His wife of almost 40 years passed away of cancer almost 2 years ago. I’m 54 and he’s 63 and met by chance. We live 3 hours apart and talk every day and have met for lunch and have gone away twice for a weekend get away. He is definitely the man I have been praying for. Our only issue has been is him letting his adult daughters (both over 30) know that dad is ready to move on. We have both decided together to get through the holidays and the 2nd anniversary of her passing before he tells his daughters. What I’m worried about is when we get to this point he won’t be able to. He’s a wonderful, loving, caring man and we are moving our relationship slow but I want us to go public as we definitely have that chemistry between each other. I’m willing to give it six months. Should I talk to him about this timeline I have given our relationship. I don’t want to add any extra pressure on him but I feel he’s worth the wait but how long does one wait for someone to tell their adult children?

  362. I had about three friendship dates with a guy who just lost his wife. We knew each other really liked each other. Then suddenly after he said let’s do all these things together just suddenly stopped . I asked him he said he was in too much pain wanted to slow down. I said fine but then there was even more of nothing. So I asked him to please just let me know how he feels concerning me? Rather than nothing at all. Friends or nothing ? Getting together no more ? He kissed me and then ran is how it feels. And happened . We both had feelings. I’m sad and confused

  363. I best friend died after being together for 35 years and married for 33+ years. Although I will be 62 in 5 months I look, act and play as if I was 50. We planned to retire at the end of 2020. We did everything together; trout fishing, beach combing, camping, Mexican vacations, craft hobbies, reading the newspapers together every morning, sitting by the fire inside and out, holding hands and daily walks with our dogs. What I’m finding I miss the most is our conversations, interactions and touch. Where do you look and more importantly find an fit, active, stable, happy with themselves women interested in building a relationship?

  364. Melie, my advice to you (like almost all women our age) is online dating. I have tons of articles on my blog about the power of online dating at this age and lots of information about how to do it right. So, read up, prepare and then go for it! – Bp

  365. Brenda, I’m not exactly sure what you mean by feeling guilty about wanting to come to his house? But, you have been dating for many months and you are having a physically intimate relationship with him, so I imagine you both have expectations at this point. It’s probably good to let him know what YOU want out of the relationship and what you hope for. Just because he is a widower doesn’t mean your feelings don’t count. Sounds like it’s time for both of you, to be honest about what you want and see if there is a match there or not. Unless you are OK to just wait and see what happens. In that case, you may want to put a time limit on how long you are willing to stay in limbo. Best of luck. – Bp

  366. Can I ask how you deal with the house? Relationship? And not feel like second best? I struggle daily….

  367. I’ve been a widow (after my 61-year-old husband of 25 years died in 2009) for a bit over 10 years but haven’t dated nor found anyone interested in considering me as a potential “new” wife to either a divorced or widower man. Many of my girlfriends are widowed now and/or divorced but some have live-in boyfriends (in their 70’s or 80’s), but I’m old-fashioned when it comes to relationships (i.e., marriage rather than just a “relationship”). I’m active in my community but I haven’t found anyone who seems interested in dating me. I also recently attended my 50th High School Reunion (where I briefly talked with & later followed-up on e-mail with an old male friend who was briefly married & has been divorced for several years, with no children, but he lives over 12 hours away from me). I’d like to find someone here locally in my community, but I don’t know exactly what to do to find someone who might be available. Thanks for your thoughts/ideas about what I should do next!

  368. I am dating a widower who wife died 3 years ago. I am his first dating experience since her death. We just became intimate after 6 months. He is a kind and gentle man and I do believe he is one of the good guys. I recently offered to come to his home, but he balked. After some discussion he told me he was trying to make the home his, but wasn’t ready to include anyone in his family circle yet. I feel like I forced this information from him, and now feel really quilty. He even stated it was personal and he didn’t want to broadcast his feelings. How should I handle this going forward? We have decided to continue the relationship for now, but I think it is on very tedious grounds. Thank you in advance for your advise.

  369. This has to be one of the most difficult challenges in the entire dating world because as a man or a woman, you may have to leave a person who is not ready but who is still genuinely a good, caring, intelligent, thoughtful, mature, commitment-oriented, wonderful person. A man or woman who in another time and circumstance may be so perfectly matched with you that they are full on marriage material. That has got to be so tough. Normally the ability for you to heal and move on in the dating world is made easier, in some odd way, by being treated terribly, or it being largely the fault of the other person. It still hurts like hell, but with time, you realize the person wasn’t good for you. In so many of these widow situations, yes, the person is not right for you, but it is not their fault. You just cannot blame someone who went through a 40 year marriage that was harmonious and blissful for not being ready. They often just don’t know if they’re not ready until they try out dating again. I can understand why some religions like The Church of Latter Day Saints tend to discourage remarriage after the death of one’s long term spouse (I am not 100% certain of this, but I have heard this is the case, and I do know it is the case with some other religions). It’s not just that there is a spiritual belief that you will one day meet your partner in heaven again. But also just a basic understanding that for some people with powerful, amazing long marriages that are focused on a common faith, it’s just hard to move past the original person. There is just no other dating situation like it.

  370. Don’t always be available. If you can, date around. Also, understand he may have had a bad or sad day. Since he didn’t explain, maybe you need to find someone who is more sensitive and polite.

  371. If his wife’s clothes and bedside table are like she left them, then it sounds like he is taking you through the grieving process with him. If that’s ok with you, and he thinks there is a future for you two, then hang in there. (The bedside table and clothes would have scared me away long ago)

  372. If you don’t love him, don’t marry him. If you don’t trust him, don’t marry him.

  373. I enjoyed reading your advice. Both my gentleman and I were happily married for over 50 years, but he had been a widower 2 years and I for 7 years before dating. We have dated for over a year and enjoy each other’s company. He has many hobbies and I am contented staying home. I would like him to be with me more, but try to not deny him ball games, etc. We are both 70 plus and tell each other that we love each other often. He is shy about meeting my relatives and friends, but I have met his relatives and some friends. Marriage may never happen for us, since his friends have been divorced a few times over these same hobbies. The wives would like to be the center of their husbands world, not sports. What do you suggest to keep our relationship as happy as it is now?

  374. Thanks for this timely post. There is this widower in my office who proposed to me two months ago and I said no because of the way he used to talk about his ex-wife. I don’t want to be in competition with a dead person. He lost the wife over a year ago and they were married for about two years and has a little joy. He proposed to me again this week. I am trying to consider it, but he is such a friendly person. All the ladies in the office are always around him as if he is the only guy there. I already feel threatened and jealous. Am scared of accepting his proposal.

  375. I have found that as a widower my experiences with family attitudes about me dating again are VERY typical! I really appreciate reading that I’m not alone! I was happily married for 36 years and the last 3.5 my wife battled inflammatory breast cancer. I knew when she got the diagnosis that her survival rate was only 1%. I then had the entire 3.5 years to prepare myself for the inevitable as I took care of her as a loving caring husband. I’m 60 years old and started dating 7 months after my wife passed with a very nice 52 year old gal that was divorced one year after a 14 year abusive marriage. We have been dating for 5 months and have just became intimate. We both agreed in the beginning to take our growing relationship slow. My biggest road block has been my 33 year old daughter that lives with me. She thinks that I’m a disgusting person and horrible father for dating so soon after mom has passed. I’ve heard it all! You want to forget all about mom, you just want to erase her from your memory and start your new life with your girlfriend, fiancé (WIFEE)! I have tried to reassure her during her very disrespectful rants that it’s totally normal for a man to seek companionship after a very long happy marriage and I throughly understand her feelings. She has gone to only one time. At my request she will be moving out on her own soon. My family was ready to meet my girlfriend for Thanksgiving and were very excited to meet her. We planned the trip only to find out days later that my sister and sister in law had changed their minds again that they just were not ready yet to meet my girlfriend! Needless to say I was very angry and hurt as my girlfriend was and confused as to why they all of a sudden became emotional again! So as my family continues to grieve the loss of my wife I will have to move on and continue my life with the now #1 lady in my world. I know with time this situation about seeing me with ANOTHER WOMAN will pass. I love this gal and will not expose her to any negative situations where she may feel uncomfortable or hurt in anyway.

  376. Meg I won’t label your feelings about this but I will say that it seems you are wishing to erase her. That’s likely never going to happen – nor should it, don’t uou think? Bp

  377. AJ if you need to hear that from him, I encourage you to tell him. Give him the opportunity to give you what you need. Bp

  378. I really appreciate what you’ve done here. As a widower, myself, it is good that someone ‘out there’ has such a good handle on what it’s like from my perspective. My wife was ill for a long time before she died, almost a year ago now. When she passed I thought that I’d mourned enough for two months. I started trying to ‘start over’- with online dating for example. It didn’t bring me what need. But I also learned that I’m still healing, too. Give a widower a real chance to communicate, and TIME. We are, basically, trying! Thank you!

  379. You have no idea how much I appreciate what you had to say, as what you’re feeling aligns with where I am right now. I have been dating a widower for 2 months, and can feel myself falling for him. He treats me and my children better than anyone ever has, and I know that he is making a huge effort to move forward with his life. I know his late wife and I are not in competition, and I know he cares for me too. It would be nice to hear it once in a while, though. Is this a need for validation? I surely don’t know, but would love to read others’ thoughts on it. Also? Best of luck with your relationship!

  380. I have been dating a widower for over a year. His deceased wife’s clothes and bed side table are exactly the way she left them. Tomorrow is their wedding anniversary and we are spending the day together but he told me that he is going to post a message a facebook that will be respectful to both of us. I feel weird about that and I also feel guilty for not be 100% ok with it. Am I be selfish?

  381. Well, Bobbi, this one just bombed! After the above story, we resumed our relationship the first of this year, from a long distance of course, with several visits. After 4 months, he took a trip to Europe to “find himself”, with a promise to see me the day after he came home. I should say he called me every weekend on video for 3 months from Europe.He just came back with the news that he is moving in with a lady from his town, who he is more compatible with. She went to meet him over there and due to her postings on FB, I found out about it. I should mention that she is quite wealthy. I am not. I do own my home but not a drop in the bucket to this woman. I now feel so utterly stupid and used… even though he says he wants us to remain friends. Really!!! I am devastated but I will survive. You just never know.

  382. I’m glad you met your this wonderful man, Angel. This is not uncommon. There are many comments about this and I’ve given a lot of advice on the topic of dealing with adult children. Give it a read by searching this page by the word adult or children. You’ll get lots of advice. Bp

  383. I have met the most wonderful widower. He has been since Jan 19. He is ready for love but his 19 yr old daughter is having a big problem with it because he was married for 25 yrs. It is new to her seeing her father with another woman and holding hands, sitting close the normal things. She even says she needs therapy from loss of her mother and this im assuming. She was very sheltered and spoiled w mom and dad. Now all she has is dad and she doesnt have all his attention. She is part time student but cannot keep a part-time job and she never wants to leave the house stays in her room etc. Help.

  384. As he grows closer to you he’ll remove her things… after all they’re just things. He may feel if he throws them out he’s throwing a part of her away. Be patient with him. It could be as simple as him not knowing what to do with her things.

  385. Thanks for your response, Bobbi. Well we had lunch…3 hours. Had a glass of wine and laughed a lot. I learned his birthday is November 14 so I sent him an online card; signed “Hugs, Jane”. He responded with “virtual hug was nice but looking forward to getting together and the real thing”. I’ve known him and his deceased wife for a long time. He’s fun and outgoing. Now I’m really worried if I should pursue. I should mention we’re both 80, don t look it; don’t act it. So I sent a note, “you are such a flirt, but I love it”. We’re both flirting I guess…having fun.

  386. You’re so welcome Michelle. I’m really glad you’re here. Bp

  387. I can’t know his intentions. Ask him. That’s always my advice when you’re unsure about how a man feels or what he’s thinking. Bp

  388. Sounds like you might have a good thing here but negative self-image, attachment issues and/or old stories you’ve been believing are getting in your way. Do some self-exploration and work on why you can’t get past his commenting about her; even when in so many other ways he seems committed. Talk to him about how you’re feeling and ask him if he’s willing to help you. But you should own this. The bottom line is that This is about you, which I think you know. Best. Bp

  389. I’m 63 dating a 60 year old widower. I was cheated on at the end of a 37 yr marriage and his wife dies 4 years ago of cancer after 28 year marriage. I didn’t think I would find someone who treats me like he does. I feel 25 and get tingles when he touches me, or holds my hand. we have been seeing each other every weekend for 4 months, (live little over hour away from each other). We started being intimate and there was no pressure from him. I know he cares about me by his actions, calls every night, and the way he looks at me. My question if you can answer is – her clothes and personal items are still in the bathroom and bedroom, I feel like Im having an affair sometimes. Is it too soon to say something, or should I wait longer. I really like this gentleman.

  390. Thank you for supporting us women who have been dating a recent widower. It took me 10 years to start dating after being in some really bad relationships and now I am dating a great guy but I am unsure about so many things. Reading your blog is helpful and I am grateful. Thank you

  391. It’s 4:25am. I do like your helpful comments. I feel like I’m walking on eggshells. For instance, I wanted to see my new friend last evening and he said, “not tonight’ and I felt like I did something wrong. How can I stop thinking like this?

  392. I am full of gratefulness and tears as I write you this message… I am in love with a widower and he is a gem to say the least. What I noticed as I was reading your advice, was my reactions!! My friend would mentions her quite offten in all our conversation because everything we talked about that he did in the past she was there. “We did, We build. She helped …” There came a time I just wonted him to say, “I did, I built, I helped…” I get comfortable enough to communicate how I felt and he has adjusted. But now I am wondering if I am not grownup enough to handle his slip ups and we are down his wife and her family memory lane when I am trying to build new memories new connections. I could feel my immaturity rising up at your great advice. I love this man and he is a gem and I would like to grow up, being 68 on 11/7. I need more advise and tools because he is a keeper.
    Juanita

  393. I’m a widow since 2011. I was just asked out to lunch by my best friend’s widowed husband (since May, 2018). I’m not clear abou his intentions…we reconnected over a mutual friends funeral…and although I said yes, I’m nervous. Please advise. Jane

  394. Don’t be gun shy, Kathleen. Sounds to me like you’ve learned a bunch of valuable lessons from this experience. You won’t repeat those choices, right? So…carry on! Use this to make it better for yourself next time. No. Giving. Up. Just keep learning and moving forward. Bp

  395. I was divorced after 33 years and six years later I met and married a widower. I am now divorced again. I got married too quickly. This was a man that was not ready. I didn’t take the time to assess that. I wasn’t really sure how to judge it either. Now I am REALLY gun shy. In hindsight, there were reg flags. Sometimes the adult children just don’t want Dad to remarry, ever, and they can really drive a wedge between you. Had I held off, I would have seen the potential problem.

  396. I just wanted to say I am sorry that people who write for the pleasure in helping others does not need to be judged by her comments. Take it or leave it.
    I was on a beautiful first time solo trip to Greece and met a wonderful man from my home town…which never happens. We talked for days, connected. I knew he was widowed. It was never mentioned when she passed. I am in Hospice, volunteering ..I knew that arena. We connected so well. It was like everything I had been searching all my life was in this man and I was going to meet him when I got home. The day I was leaving ( we have talked for a week) texts, phone calls. There was plenty of opportunity to mention that his wife passed Sept 23. One month. They had a wonderful, loving relationship For 36 years. I immediately said, “ no, no no” over and over again.
    So fast forward we meet, the chemistry between us was super strong. A night together without sleeping together . But with lack of sleep from flying , the visit the next day and champagne made me very open and vulnerable.
    It wasn’t until the next day he was going to come by that he calls instead in the evening and days that his behavior was inappropriate and again why are you on a dating site? I understand his feelings about getting on there. We both knew meeting each other was just not coincidence. So I know in my heart this Christian man needs to do the right thing for himself and his two boys (26 and 18). He figured me out like no one else has. So my connection with this widowed man is from a distance. But it came at a time in my life where I really know what I want.

  397. Hello! I am currently dating a widower for the 2nd time (only a month the 1st round – already 6 months this time) and he has been wonderful and supportive as I feel I have returned this to him also. We spend a lot of time together. Love it!!! He only ask for 3 days (the day of the accident/her birthday and I am assuming their anniversary is the 3rd but I am not sure) a year to himself to grieve his wife of 24 years who tragically died in a horrific car wreck as he was driving the car to get their daughters from school but the wreck was from a careless speeding driver trying to pass on a 2 lane road. Hit them head on at about 70+ mph. I gladly give him the days. We have been through 2 of the days so far but I tend to miss him so much while he’s doing what he does, which I have no clue & will not ask ever. Don’t get me wrong he still text me and such but not as much) I feel this is not my business unless he decides to share. He is everything and more I’ve wanted in a man except he refuses to tell me how he feels but he absolutely shows it. Why am I being so selfish by wanting to know verbally when he shows me a lot? I love being shown but I like to hear too! I don’t pressure him but I do speak my mind and tell him how I feel often. I wonder if he has always been this way or since his wife has passed away? However, I do notice he isn’t that way with his daughters either at all. I tried to ask him in around about way but it went right over his head I think. He said he may never get married again also. I was up front about wanting to get married again so that sits In the back of my mind also. I am willing to comprise that’s how much I care and love him but then again marriage pops in my head sometimes. I was up front with this when we got together but our relationship to me is wonderful, peaceful, effortless, easy, and not stressful. With that being said since he doesn’t tell me how he feels and acts like nothing ever bothers him, in away makes me feel like he could walk away at anytime and not look back. I’m a little confused. This is a change from what I was use to in my marriage, walking on eggshells. He makes me so happy and feel so safe, laugh & have great chemistry in the bedroom. With that little bit of things that bother me isn’t too bad but I still worry about things. Is this normal?

  398. Good article; just like any other sort of man, one has to go into the rship with eyes and ears open. I was in a nearly two year rship with a widower. I did everything correctly according to this post and also books on dating widowers I’d read. I was an exemplary “good girlfriend” according to your and all the other rship blogs out there. Still, after a great weekend, he tells me he’s been seeing someone else, it’s serious, the OW wants to meet me being into “all things Indian” and he still wants to train together and have the use of my home for an upcoming marathon here. My reply is not printable. After much rehashing, three things were red flags some of which didn’t show up til later on. First, speaking about his ex wife, it became clear she did not trust him when he was away from her. Two; although he’d begun dating me after enough time passed after the wife’s death, he’d actually started dating immediately. His treatment of the woman in question was so poor that it cost him his best friend. Three, he revealed some serious narcissistic tendencies over time. Mostly, I was treated like a Queen, he was proud of me, introduced me to friends and family; basically doing all the things a bf should do; that’s why the cheating and manner of breakup was such a shock. One thing was on me; when I’d met him, my gut was warning me big time. Also, we had a huge difference in intellectual levels and intellectual pursuits which was a problem for me at times. He hardly read at all; spending all free time on Faceplant and was not interested in learning new things. I’m pretty much the opposite though all these rship blogs keep telling me to date outside my comfort zone. From now on, if I ever date again, it will ONLY be with those sharing my values and who are equals; no exceptions. In some ways I am grateful to cheaterboy as the breakup was a turning point where I understood that living in my redneck mountain town ensured no quality man would want me and also understanding my toxic workplace would never improve. I retired prematurely, am moving to my 100 yo farm, sans all utilities, and living according to MY values. I may be alone for the rest of my life but at least it’ll be in an intact ecosystem. We also have our rednecks, our damaged, unhealthy men, but there’s a good many trees between me and them. Having the option of walking away from a culture you’re not compatible with rather than having it in your face 24/7 makes a huge difference. Widowers, like any other men, have good ones and not so good ones. Cheating happens as do many other poor behaviors and often it takes time before the bad stuff becomes evident. Apart from setting high standards and sticking to them, from the get go, much of this is beyond your control. This is why it is important to be living the way you want to as a single so you can weather the storm alone if needed.

  399. He is sending mixed signals. Please don’t settle for crumbs. You need to get out there and date others-you can keep him in rotation. I think you will find other men who will also treat you the way you want to be treated, but you won’t have to compete with a ghost.

  400. Thank you very much for the insight. Just started dating a widower though he thinks am a little to young for him. How do I go about it. He agrees everything else is fine like says am mature, taken care of myself well save for the fact that am young. But as such he still calls n text back….

  401. Way to go, Treva. Just keep your feet on the ground and take in all you can about him and allow him to do the same from you. If it’s not right it won’t be, but don’t force it to fail out of fear. Bp

  402. Thank you for these words of wisdom and comfort. I’ve recently started dating a wonderful man who is a W, and I was concerned that there hadn’t been enough time since his wife died…We’re headed into that falling in love area. I was trying to sabotage our relationship, out of fear of being played I suppose. Along came your writings, and I’m going to knock that crap off!
    Thank you, again.

  403. I’ve answered this question a zillion times here. Talk to HIM about it. Bp

  404. Iam in my early 50s. And my neighbor is in his 60s and very handsome. Cute. I never knew he was a widow? for 5 months. He is very nice & sweet. Iam not married. Single. No children. I would like to be close friends with him. But i dont know how to start. I have his phone number. And he has mine. No calls. I guess big red flag. help.☺ your advice for friendship with him.

  405. I’ve been dating a widower for 6 months. He told me when we first met his late wife didn’t want him to waist away the rest of his life. They were married 5 years and he’s 62 years old, no children. She’s been gone 1 1/2 years. She was diagnosed with cancer and died 2 months later. He still has her clothes in his closet, her purse and cowgirl hat next to her night stand. How should I feel about that and how do I go about talking to him about just moving her things out of the house? Or should I even mention it?
    Thanks
    Linda

  406. I started dating a woman whos husband committed suicide almost 2 years ago. She dated someone for about 7 months before me so I’m not the first one after his death. I told her I didn’t want her to forget him, or think I was there to replace him, and that I was ok taking it slow on the emotions and her opening up. We’ve been dating for about 4 months and I recently moved in as a test to see if it would work. The house was the house they bought together, there are still pictures of them here and there and her whole Facebook is of them and she posts memories of them all the time on it. My biggest question is, is she ready. I’m trying to be patient, but it’s tough and I’m always questioning if shes being up front with me about her true feelings or if I’m there to fill a void. I love her to death and I want to support her and be there for her, but I’m not sure where to ask questions and where to just let her have space. I also want to make sure I’m not getting in my head and creating issues.

  407. Kristy, this is painful, but moving on with your life is the healthiest thing you can do. Leave behind this fantasy and engage in your life as it is. There are lots of nice, available, grownup men out there. Focusing on a man who is not available, nor ready for a relationship is wasting your precious time. – Bp

  408. Edith, sounds like there was a spark between you. Whether he follows up or not, who knows. When men are interested in a woman they almost always find a way to pursue her. So yes, waiting for him is fine, as long as you are still moving forward with your life and not counting on hearing from him. It may have just been a moment, never to be repeated. Time will tell. – Bp

  409. Barbara, it sounds like you have struck a good balance of letting him be and being there for him when he needs you. That’s not easy. My advice for you over the holidays is to take care of yourself. Make plans with your family and friends and do things that make YOU happy and relaxed. If he wants to join you, great. If not, move forward anyway, making sure to do lots of self-care on your own. I hope that helps. – Bp

  410. Talk to HIM about it. It’s not really about her, Angie. He’s probably in a tough spot but he’s in charge of how he interacts with her and where he places her (and You) in his life. It’s not easy, but instead of being angry or crabby, let him know how you’re feeling and what you need. If he can’t give it to you, you’ll know. Then you can make your decision. Bp

  411. How to deal with a w’r 19 yr old inmature daughter that doesnt want to meet a new person in her fathers life. That has had all his attention and time since Jan, 2019.

  412. OK further to my reply yesterday, I have found out more. I went to visit the step-mom-in-law. Seems like a while hornets nest has been opened. The daughters are completely distraught especially the younger two (all are in their twenties). Mostly because this woman looks like their mother. She’s very “nice” according to the eldest but they are all shocked and sense an agenda. He was encouraged to start dating by his therapist and went online, picking her I guess as she looks so like late wife. She has been down 2 weekends so far and this most recent one included other guests all close friends of the late wife. Apparently the girlfriend did not fit in at all and while weekend was a disaster (according to eldest daughters boyfriend).
    Step-mom has advised me to hang in there. She was great actually and it felt right to talk to her. She thinks he’s a long way off dating again as I suspected. I’m just sorry the girls are so hurt by it all. They don’t deserve that.

  413. Hi again
    So I sat back and let things tick along. As I said before there is a real close friendship between us which goes beyond the usual boss/employee. I talk to his mother in law (step rather than natural) and we get on great. She has been there for him throughout as she was for her step-daughter. Two weeks ago she dropped the bombshell. (She doesn’t know my feelings for him) He has a girlfriend! I just knew this was going to happen. A work colleague (I look after things at his house in the country while he is away in the week). My world fell apart but I thought I would be adult about it. Today I met her. She stayed the weekend. She is the total image of his late wife. I nearly did a double take.
    Now I cannot believe he’s ready. According to his mother in law, he’s still in therapy. And she thinks he’s making a huge mistake. His late wife’s clothes are still in the closet and her ashes have yet to be spread. There are even loads of cards from her Memorial service with a photo of her on the front all over the kitchen! If they slept together, that’s the bed she died in! His youngest daughter seems to have gone very quiet (I am really close to her) whereas the other two have boyfriends and don’t seem so concerned.
    So. Do I move on? Do I wait it out in the hope that this girlfriend is the “practice” one? (which is what my close girlfriends think). Were it me in her position, I would be clocking the signs and questioning them in my mind. But I realise that there are plenty of predatory women who wouldn’t be bothered. BTW he is a great catch (very good looking, fabulous house, wealthy and extremely nice) but that isn’t why I am interested. I would like him if he were penniless.

  414. I’m Happily single 25 years.
    While teaching a dance class there was a widower. He’s going on 3rd year loss of wife. Showing him a dance step he held me tight,
    A pocker intense stare into my eyes and smiled, which i understood him letting me know
    I LIKE YOU, he bit his lip; i got nervous but i had to stare back at his eyes. I had to meet him half way. I like him. It’s first time seeing him. He interrupted our stare saying, we should dance with others. Of course, I said. I parted to dance with someone else, and so did he. End of class he said to me, thank you for the dance class. I respo ded, nice meeting you. He left. I hope he is thi king about me as I am of him. Hope somehow he asks my friend, who he knows, about me or for my number. No way i will pursue him.

    What do you think?

    Thank you for your help and assistance.

  415. I’m dating a widower. He’s 48. It’ll be two years in December since she’s passed. The irony of it that we met on a dating site and then he asked me out for ice cream. We got to talking and found out that his late wife and I use to work together. He was shocked. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we met. I think there’s a reason. She wants him to be happy. I told him I would be there for him if he needed to talk. He has his days which is very understandable, so I give him his space that he needs. He’s a great guy. He said he’s going to pull back and be himself. He doesn’t like getting on fb because the memories. I know he’s depressed and he will come out of it like he did before. The next few months are going to be hard for him because of the holidays. Other than what I’m doing is there any other advise you can give me? I really like this guy and I don’t want to scare him off. Thank you, Barb

  416. Precious, in no way is my article about dating men BEFORE they are widowed, which is what you are doing. Dating a married man. I really don’t have any advice for you except to suggest you step aside and let him focus his full attention on his ailing wife. – Bp

  417. Hi Walt,
    I’m sorry to read of your loss and admire your courage in starting to think about dating and what it might look like.
    I had a hard time meeting people in ‘real life’ – men are out there and so are women but making a connection at the grocery store or a social function was proving difficult so I joined an online dating app.
    I didn’t expect to find anyone really, I was mostly doing it for practice so that if some great guy crossed my path I might have a clue about what to do.
    But I did meet someone and as it turns out he is a widower (big surprise since I’m on this webpage).
    When we met he gave all the signs of being ready to date and he said he was ready. Recently he made it known that he might not have been as ready as he thought. Additionally there are some pretty big red flags like his house is a shrine to his late wife and he visits her grave almost every day. It’s painful to even write those words. I’ve shared my concerns with him and he’s done things to reassure me so I’ve chosen to be patient and am looking for signs that he’s moving on. I know that I could end up getting very hurt but am being patient and waiting because the grief process is different for everyone and he’s a great guy. The process has been far more painful for me than he knows.
    My advice would be this, if you begin dating make sure you’re ready to date another woman. Don’t date because you want a friend or companion to fill the void left by your late wife, date because you’re ready to find someone new. That’s not to say you can’t find that type of companion, just make certain you’ve communicated your desires up front. You might find a woman looking for the same thing as you. But in fairness, most women who want to date do so to find a romantic partner.
    If you meet someone special she will likely have questions that will help her figure out where she might fit into your life. You should be in an emotional place where you can talk about your grieving process, your late wife, etc. There’s a book on amazon, ‘Dating a Widower’, it’s written for women but a lot of widowers have left reviews saying it was helpful for them. It might be a good way to gauge where you’re at and when you might be ready.
    I hope this helps in some small way and wish you the best of luck.

  418. I met and fell in love with a married man whose wife is ailing. She has gotten worse and wants me to wait on him. He has gotten depressed since her condition have gotten worse. What should I do

  419. Well said. I’m happy for you! Bp

  420. Hello I am a widower. I lost my wife on 1st of August 2019. She had a brain tumor. She asked me to retire and help take care of her. That’s exactly what I did. I was with her all 22 months of this fight. I know I am still grieving. I do eventually want to start dating again. How about some general advice please? I t will be hard to start dating after being out of the dating scene for almost thirty years except ,going out with my deceased wife. Thank you

  421. I am a divorcee of 8 years and I’ve been dating a widower for close to a year now; we met 6 months after his partner of 6 years had passed away. This post was incredibly insightful and i do believe that everyone’s grief is different and how they grieve and deal with it is up to the individual. There is always a different story to every situation and sometimes it’s not as B&W as to what is ‘too soon’ (but yes, 8 weeks is too soon).
    I have met the love of my life; we have incredible communication, he is emotionally intelligent and aware and is very loving. As issues arise, we talk about them openly and honestly, even if sometimes the content can hurt, but at least we are talking. He feels guilt for being happy, however i know that his partner would have wanted him to be happy and I know that we both deserve this happiness and the kindness/respect we give to each other. Yes it’s a learning curve however in the same breath it’s the best, healthiest relationship i have experienced.

  422. Agree. Good for you for acknowledging it and moving on. Smart. Best to you. Bp

  423. I’m dating a widower now for 2 months. His wife passed away 2 1/2 years. Biggest challenge for us is his GUILT of being with me. Wonderful man but everything just stopped the compliments, texts, everything. I convinced him to get grief therapy. Maybe later we can try again. He’s just not ready.

  424. I really hope you can help me! I’ve been in a relationship a little over a year! He was married 30 years and she had cancer! He had to give the ok to take her off of life support! At the same time his only grown adult child turned to drugs and lost his granddaughter of 7 years! He said he lost everything he loved at once!
    I want to be there for him and have him be able to talk to me about anything, but I notice when he drinks he talks about it more!
    I really try to understand when he talks about it, but at times when he tells me he lost his wife and how much he loved her, I feel like I ‘ll never will be able to compete against her! He tells me it was 30 years with her and only a year with me! I get that part, I really do, but if we got married tomorrow at our age, it would be a miracle if we could be together 30 years, therefor I feel like he’ll love her longer and no matter what I’ll do I’ll never be able to be the woman he loved for 30 years, so he’ll always love her more!
    I have taken everything into consideration and I hate it I feel this way, I really do but it’s how it makes me feel! Please help!

  425. Believe what he says: He just to be friends. He told you the truth and now it’s up to you to decide if that’s okay with you. Bp

  426. Thank you for sharing your story, Sally. I think your thoughtful and loving approach will help a lot of women. I wish you all the happiness with this nice man. Hugs. Bp

  427. I have been with my boyfriend for 9 months. He lost his ex-fiance 2 years ago, she died in a tragic accident at just 27! They had been together before they broke up a year previously for 6 years and had a child.
    I see being with him in a similar way to dating a widower because alot of the issues weve faced are the same.
    We are both 32 and have children of the same age, when we met it was an instant attraction/connection and our chemistry is amazing.
    We became official within just two weeks of meeting one another because it felt as if we’d known eachother forever!…However it has not all been easy, far from it.
    When i first went to his home, his entire living space was a shrine to his deceased ex-partner. A huge canvas of them together hung above the bed (the bed we shared together). Photos of her, and them as a couple adorned every corner. Her ashes are there, her shoes are still lined up where she left them as is her purse sat gathering dust on the windowsill. Even though they were separated at the time of her passing, hes still had to greive her death and process loss which i think has forever cannonised her as ‘The one great love’ in his mind/heart.
    The deeper my feelings for him have become, the harder ive found it to deal with.
    It got to the point where i refused to visit his, because it felt so innapropriate. It felt as if i were the other woman, and i became consumed by insecurities which upset me alot.
    Things have progressed over time though, he has replaced the canvas above the bed with some artwork i made him for valentines, and put her photos down…but this didnt feel like a natural thing, it felt that he only did it to make me comfortable…There have been times where I’ve questioned his availability to me, but he reassures me that hes happy with me and sees a future together.
    This has all been a learning curve, its hard to watch someone you love in pain and not be able to make it better, even harder when they seem to pine for a lost love!
    I began to compare myself to her, her hair was nicer, the clothes she wore, he loved her more etc…but this was damaging to both me and our relationship, so I’ve managed to curb those thoughts for the most part and hope that in time it will start to feel better and the hard times will become less.
    For anyone out there reading this, my advice is if you’re ever in a situation similar to mine- please always be kind to yourself and trust your heart.
    I have been with terrible men, i know how it is to be treated badly…and my guy is the first one who has ever treated me with respect and genuine chivalry (which i appreciate), if he wasn’t such an amazing man i would have run for the hills long ago.
    Dating someone who is greiving a previous love can be very painful at times, but i do believe that if they are a good match for you- then not only can you develop a strong healthy bond, but you can learn so much about yourself in the process.

  428. I’ve been seeing this widower for nine months now. He still says we are best friends. But doesn’t want anyone to know about us we started seeing each other after his wife had been passed nine months. She has now been passed eighteen months, is this still too early for him to be seeing someone? He tells me he doesnt want anything serious but just to be friends. How should I take this? I really care for him & know he cares for me. But what should I do?

  429. I have been dating a widower for 4 months and his late wife passed away 8 years ago and he continues to talk about her and say if she was here, he tells me he thinks of her every day and he wishes she was here! I feel very upset and angry!! I don’t like the way I feel and I don’t know what to say when he mentions her and says he loves me I’m the best thing ever, but then says he misses her so! What do I do?? I love him he says he loves me very much! He treats me so wonderful ! Please help

  430. Tifney, I’m going to say it straight. Based on what you’ve said please think about cutting your losses. I know it’s very hard , but he’s told you what he’s capable of.
    I was in. 3.5 year relationship way before I met my husband. On the 2nd date he told me he wouldn’t marry me. I “joke” that it took me 3.5 years to believe him. But why didn’t i?? He never introduced me as his girlfriend. He never introduced me to his family. But I kept up hope. For what? Why would I do that? I finally broke it off – it was so hard. I cried for a year.
    Now I look back and I am so grateful that he wouldn’t marry me. When I think of my husband vs this guy…no comparison.
    I feel for your man. I can’t imagine the pain of losing someone, especially that young. But he’s being incredibly selfish by running after you when you finally get the strength to walk away.
    Next time you do ask him to be kind and let you go. There are men out there who are ready to cherish you and bring you into their lives; fully and completely.
    My hear goes out to you. Be good to yourself and let go if he’s not able to return your love and devotion. I promise that in the long run you will be so glad you did. Hugs. Bp

  431. I’ve been dating a widower for the past 9 months. He’s 46, two young children ages 11 and 9. Wife passed away 4 years ago from Lupus. To say that this relationship has been 2 steps forward and 15 steps backwards, is an understatement. I should’ve recognized the red flag when he showed me his tattoo on his arm in dedication to her along with a full album of photos on his phone on our FIRST DATE. I should’ve ran when I went to his house the first time and realized it is literally a shrine to her (photos on the walls, her urn with all sorts of photos and memorabilia on a table, wedding photos all over his bedroom and the house is still in the same state decorative wise as when she passed 4 years ago). My patience and understanding has paid off in the sense that he’s slowly opened up to me, I frequently spend the night and have met his friends; mother and children. This is where we go backwards. Despite all this growth he refuses to make a full commitment to me. All I’m asking is for us to officially be boyfriend and girlfriend, but he refuses and makes excuses. I’ve walked away but he came chasing after me. He tells me he doesn’t want to lose me but won’t give in either. His daughter mentioned how great it would be if we got married this past weekend and now he refuses to allow the children to be around me and my kids because he says he’s protecting her since she’s desperately looking for a mother figure. I’m at my wits end. I love him and his children. I’d gladly be the mother figure they need, but he won’t let me. Do I stick it out or cut my losses?

  432. Thank you so much for this post. I have been dating a widower for 4 months now and it has been going great. He is 29 years young and lost his 26 year old wife to cancer. They were together for 10 years. She did battle it for 4 years so he did state that he started grieving from the start. We have spent almost every weekend together, have went on one trip, met each others family and friends, and have overall become best friends. I am almost certain that we are on the verge to telling each other that we love each other, but I am just being patient. We do communicate to each other about his wife at times, but he doesn’t bring her up. This can be hard for me at times considering that I know it will take time for his friends and family to open up to me. I know her birthday is coming up so I am glad that I did read this so I can better understand this process. I still have a hard time opening up to him due to my past hurt/divorce, but I keep telling myself that he is a wonderful man and I am willing to be patient and love a widower. He is absolutely amazing. At times I do find it hard to be judged by others, but will be open minded from now on!

  433. Here is an update on our relationship. We have been together for 3+ months and it has been a lovely whirlwind. It became intimate and we have connected like we were in our twenties—but with exhaustion a day later. Lol. We are 67 and 69. The problem: it’s moving a little too fast. We decided to slow down the intimacy because we didn’t want our relationship to be based on sex. I know this is wise but my insecurities have resurfaced. I’m that 27 year old afraid of a breakup all over again. Is this normal? We have talked about this in the past few days. I was the girl he left, 43 years ago to date and later marry his wife. She had been dead for 5 years. My husband has been dead for 11+ years.
    Has anyone ever had this same problem?

  434. Thank you for the message. I feel like you are talking about me in your first illustration. I’m turning 66 this month and He is 73 (in December). He will also be a widower for 3 years in December…. He’s a wonderful man… all of the things you described… I’ve been thinking about asking him about his marriage..he was married for 30 years. he never mentions her and says very little about his family…one son and one Grandaughter….I want to ask him a lot of questions.. don’t know how to get the conversation going… I believe it has to do with respect..

    We live 4 hours away each other…. I’m so scared of being disappointed.. I’m divorced -32 years of marriage (10 years) not a happy time in my life… working on my abandonment issues….I love him already but I’ve only known him for about 7 weeks…..

  435. Laura, I’m sorry this happened to you, it sounds so painful. Also in hindsight dating someone 3 months after their spouse dies tragically is too soon, wouldn’t you agree? I’m happy you are going to counseling to better understand yourself. Good move. – Bp

  436. I’m 42, and my boyfriend, 45 who is a widower broke up with me yesterday.
    He lost his wife of 8 years tragically in November 2018, and he pursued me 3 months later. He and I had known each other for 4 years prior to this, however during those years we were simply co-workers and knew each other through church; nothing more.
    When we first started dating in February, I was surprised at how well he was doing. He has been going to traditional therapy sessions, did an experimental therapy involving eye movements, and attended an 18-week grief share class offered through his church.
    He and I quickly fell in love. We went on 3 vacations together this summer, and our relationship got very deep very quickly.

    Unfortunately, I did not handle things well. I became OK with pictures of her all over his home (new home – she never lived there), however when he would fall into grief I would immediately feel insecure. We would talk things through, but the pattern repeated. I realize with 20/20 hindsight that he simply wanted to be open and vulnerable with me and have me trust him with how he was feeling. I regret how I handled things. He has asked for time and space – which I’m giving to him, however I hope our relationship will come back together. I will also be pursuing counseling to better understand my insecurities, and how to better communicate with him should we ever get back together.

  437. Amber, Six months is too soon to get into a serious relationship with this man. It sounds like you’ve been seeing each other even before that. He may need to process his grief in a support group or with a therapist before he can move on and be open in a new relationship. And, since he was depressed before she died, he has a lot to work on. You may need to back away for a bit while he works this out. – Bp

  438. Peggy, that sounds so hard! My advice is for you to be clear about what you want and let him know. Is he just wanting more free time to do what he wants on his own? If so, you may be able to negotiate this. Both having your own interests and time to spend without each other. Everyone has different needs when it comes to togetherness time. Dig a little deeper to see if you can figure out what he really wants. And then see if there is room for both of you to get your needs met. The answer may be no…But you won’t know until you both get your cards on the table. Best of luck – Bp

  439. I have recently started dating my widower boyfriend.
    He lost his wife of 18 yrs, 6 months ago.
    He talks of her fondly and good memories often.
    Also mentions he was depressed the last few years and the wife was not the same person he met.
    She died of overdose of pills, and was a heavydrinker.
    He posts on FB often of memories, and missing her.
    Has several times called me his late wife’s name, very hurtful.
    I have a history with this man, of 29 yrs and past dating, seriously, and I even lived with him.
    I love him very much, he loves me dearly also.
    I still struggle w the ghost daily.
    HELP!

  440. I have been dating a widower for almost 18 months. We are both seniors both 69 yrs old. We have a great time together…traveling…playing golf…hiking….so much in common….very attracted to one another. …our kids have met and are all happy we met…. now my boyfriend doesn’t want to be in a relationship anymore but wants to continue to date me exclusively. He keeps telling me he wants freedom, meaning going places and doing things without me….I have fallen in love and I thought he was starting to fall in love… now he only wants to be friends….should I hang in there or not waste any more time with him……I never saw this coming.i have to say, this past week I had shoulder surgery. He took me and brought me home and cared for my needs. Spent the night a few times but was always at my home daily….that to me shows he loves me.
    Would love your advice
    Thanks for listening

  441. Thank you for your response. You were correct. I think we have broken up 3x since I wrote my message to you in February. Hopefully we can both heal this time around. Thanks again. Even though things seem so obvious, the brain of course has a way of candy coating if you allow it.

  442. Bobbi, you know this man isn’t going to give you what you want and deserve, so why do you keep trying? Actions speak louder than words here. Time to move on. – Bp

  443. Chris, I am so sorry for your loss. I am not a grief expert, but yes, 8 weeks is too soon. I suggest you get into a grief support group or do grief counseling to help you sort out your feelings and reactions. Best of luck. – Bp

  444. I’m the one who’s been seeing a widower for now 5 years. He gave me all the sign, said all the words to make me think he was finally going to make me maybe close to number one. His dad is on hospice he’s working full-time and lives 45 minutes away. He had a roommate whom he just evicted so he lives all alone in this huge house and he will not let me go over there. I’ve done everything for this man I’ve been here believe me I’ve done everything for him. It hurts when he’s had several days off and can’t even make it to see me. I only asked for a couple of hours and if I can’t get that I think I’ve given up. Our conversation was he still busy doing things around the house he can’t come over. My response, no problem it’s no big deal. As I’m saying those words my heart is just breaking. Then he says, it’s not a big deal? Apparently he doesn’t care so why should I? Not to mention, I have a tiny tiny house and I had any grandchildren over here for an event I needed a place to stay one night he wouldn’t even offer.

  445. Appreciate your POV. I encourage you to read the many comments here to learn about others. Bp.

  446. I’m 62, she is 63, why does life have to be so complicated?

  447. I am experiences many of these things. I am patient, although I still want him

  448. Members , there a woman who is getting married to a widower, he has a female child from the marriage n the late wife relative is living with the man cos she is taking care of the child.She @d new to b wife is complaining that the late wife’s box is still in the man”s bedroom which will soon become her own bedroom. According to her she has discussed it with him on how uncomfortable the box makes her feel n has asked that he removes it from the room as she thinks it’s in her personal space and put it in any of the oda room in the house.
    She said d fiance told her he won’t as he is keeping this box for the daughter.the man won’t hear any oda tin abt removing the box from the room
    Also some of the late wife’s property have bn packed in the store of d new hse they moved in from the old hse he n d wife were living in bfr the wife died.
    She is confused and wants some advise if she should continue with d wedding plans as a date has bn fixed. She has bn advised to stay calm.
    Is she on the right track to ask him to move the box out of their soon to be room together n move it anoda oda room in d hse and is this enuf to cancel the wedding if he refuses just incase she brings up the matter again to him. It’s been three years and three months now since d wife’s death and its bn almost 1year some months since he n oda woman started dating. She says she loves him so much n he loves her too n doesn’t want to lose him but confused on wht to do.Oh n by the way they are both from different tribes. But d late wife n him were from d same tribe.
    Kind advises Wil do.
    Thanks

  449. My spouse of 25 years passed away 8 weeks ago. That’s right, only 8 weeks ago. It was suicide. To state this was the worst day of my life doesn’t begin to cover it. Yet, for some reason a couple of weeks ago I created a profile on a dating site. I’m still planning my spouse’s memorial and last night met up with someone for what I’m pretty sure both of us thought was a date, though we pretended it was just to meet one another and possibly be friends. I am acutely aware of how vulnerable I am right now. The depth of the love that I had with my spouse isn’t able to be properly articulated. This person I met last evening and I have already talked about the issue on the table as far as what I’m going through. Is that a good sign? I’ve stated I can’t get too deeply involved with anyone at this time. I’m happy to entertain spending time with a new person but I’m not looking to mess with another human beings emotions or my own for that matter. To describe the different twists and turns in my mind about having met someone this soon after the death of my beloved spouse is to try and describe how the earth was created in seven days. My spouse battled mental health issues for the duration of our relationship and I believe part of what I’m dealing with is the “sense of relief” aspect of having been in a caretaker role of sorts. Is it a bad decision to be spending time with this person? We actually have a very unusual and natural back and forth in the communication department. This is something that is like striking gold as far as I know. We’ve both already discussed the pink elephant in the room. Are we kidding ourselves though? Thank you!

  450. I have not read such judgmental rubbish in all my time as a widow and I’ve read a lot on this subject. Obviously you have not lost a spouse and have no idea what “moving forward” means.

  451. Lula, even though your boyfriend has been through a terrible loss, it doesn’t mean you can’t get your needs met as well. You’ve been dating him for 9 months, so it is certainly reasonable to ask when you might meet his children and ask how does he see that happening. It is reasonable to ask him to change his Facebook photo as well. It’s important to be able to discuss difficult things with our loved ones. Here is an article I wrote that should help you phrase it in a way he won’t take offense, https://datelikeagrownup-com.mystagingwebsite.com/dating-what-to-say-to-men-in-difficult-situations/. Best of luck! – Bp

  452. Mary, it sounds like you are in a tough situation. While telling him he could talk about his wife just about anytime was a loving gesture, it sounds like he has taken it too far and your feelings are getting hurt. Understandable. Maybe it’s time to have an open, loving discussion about putting a few more boundaries around how and when he shares his memories of her with you. And how it makes you feel. Here is an article I wrote about how to discuss difficult things with your man. https://datelikeagrownup-com.mystagingwebsite.com/dating-what-to-say-to-men-in-difficult-situations/. Hope that helps. – Bp

  453. Great article, it helped me a lot because I’ve been dating a widower for 9 months, his wife died after two years of cancer treatment almost a year ago. He has two kids 24 and 22 that know about our relationship but do not want to know me yet and I understand it, this situation makes it impossible for me to be included in family meetings. I don’t know if that is normal, I have never dated a widower before and also his facebook picture is one with her. Once we had a conversation about it he said that it is a beautiful pic and that it will be sad to throw it away, so I said, you don’t have to do that, just put one with your kids and keep the other in your files. Am I being not supportive?? I think that I have the right to express my feelings towards situations that make me feel insecure , I don’t know if I am asking too much, sometimes I feel lost. Thanks for your comments

  454. He was married 27 years, she was ill with cancer for 3 years and passed away a year ago. He has 3 College age children and a 16 year old. I am his first date. I think he is humble, brave, strong, and lovely. He has been through therapy, maybe still going. I will be watching for your advice and tips. Thank you so much.

  455. Thanks for letting me know. I’m so happy to have helped. Bp

  456. I just found you in a search and am so appreciative. I had a first date with a widower and was looking for advice. This is wonderful.

  457. My advice is easy: ask HIM what you can do for him. Seriously. Let him know you’d like to support him however he might need you to. He might need to be alone with his thoughts. Be okay with that. Bp

  458. Thank you I really enjoyed reading your article! I’m starting to date a man that has lost his wife almost a year ago, they would have been married 30 years next month, can you please give me some advice on what I can do to help him on this Anniversary? Is there something that I could give him as a gift? I think this man is a gem, I went to school with him over 40 years ago and he’s a amazing man!

  459. Thank you for your wonderful article about dating an widower.
    I, have been dating a much older widower who is a successful writer had been married to 20 years his late wife.
    Who was beautiful , successful career woman and I do feel my date does comparing me or at least in comments about my weights, dressing choices , etc.
    I am ideal weight and often approached by other men.
    But, I feel as thought I am drawing in thus relationship that he does takes me for granted to full fill his loneliness, and using me to fulfill his empty ness when he is left at night from his activities of day.
    We are pretty much expense sharing companionship.
    Except, I make his drinks and fulfill duties of care taker.
    My widower is selfish man
    I love him but I love myself more to leave this perpetual lover of ideas and lives in his novel
    I want to date realistic widower who can love me for who I am not ideal of who he wants to be

  460. My husband was married for 54 years when his wife died of cancer. He is 76 and I am
    82. My husband died 3 years after being diagnosed wit Dementia. We were married 20 years but our marriage was over after 9. A cheater that wouldn’t give up his mistress. No divorce.
    The man I am married to now is a retired preacher and I trus him completely. He tells me he loves me but I don’t feel the love. He doesn’t do the little things that says I love you. He plays the guitar and sings, and once when he was singing ask him if he was thinking about her. He told me every song he sang was to her. I felt like he had slapped me. I told him he could talk about her any time he wanted to and I would listen as long as it wasn’t in the bedroom (that was my time). He brings her up a couple of times almost every time.
    Am I being too sensitive? When
    I cook he tells me how good her food was. I am a wonderful cook but evidently I can’t cook as well as her. He comes and goes when he wants to and we rarely eat together. Sexually we are great together but I want more.
    What can I do?

  461. You’re so welcome and Thank You, Margaret, for sharing your beautiful story. You obviously have a huge, open heart. I wish you nothing but happiness. Bp

  462. I totally agree with you but want to add that it is also easier if both partners have had a deep long lasting love . I have no problem with my new love talking about his deceased wife thatbhe was married to for 50+years and loves since 7th grade just as he has no issues with me speaking and remembering my recently deceased huaband thatwas the love of my life. I feel like I know his wife even though she pased sevwral years before we met. We have room on our hearts for all and feel very blessed that God has turned our friendship into a last go around of deep love for each other and plan to not waste a day of life that we have together because none of us know what is around the next corner. Our biggest obstacle is He is 81 and I am 65 but he is in excellent health and loves adventures and traveling as much if not more than me. We are trying not to rush but sees time slipping thru our fingers. Thank you for your passion of helping us Women who so often settle for less.

  463. Thank you for your thoughtful message, Karen. It will definitely help other women. You’re right: at this age we’re not here to save a man. You should be looking after your happiness first. Best to you. Bp

  464. I agree that some widowers can make wonderful partners but I made the mistake of getting into a relationship with one that had so many red flags that I ignored because “he was a widower” and I felt compassion for him. He loved his wife so much and their love story was cut short. I knew she would always have a huge piece of his heart. I ignored the fact that he had anger issues, I think he felt a little responsible for her death because he was an alcoholic for most of their years together. He quit drinking shortly before her Colon Cancer diagnosis. I just want women to be aware that because of our caring compassionate nature, sometimes we might overlook signs that we would not in single or divorced men. Listen to your gut, if something is off, be careful and go slow or move on. While most widowers are decent wonderful men, there are some (and mine was) that are in a hurry to find another partner. Big Red flag, I was being rushed and controlled. He was trying to mold me and while a 20 year old woman might be game, I’m 60 and I love who I am and know what I want.
    Love you ladies, be careful, remember to love and respect yourself first. I don’t want anyone to go through what I just did. His blue sad puppy dog eyes had me fooled me for a while. Thank you!

  465. I do thank you Bobbi and Brian for your response. I I’m still seeing the widower after 4 years. Yes, I do have feelings for him. I would do anything for this person. He treats me with great respect and actually more than that. Brian, you made me feel good on a day I felt a little down. Said very nice things to me and I really appreciated it, thank you so much, safe, my guy has already told him I made him happy he told me to keep it up I know it’s hard to get a good woman, just like it is to get a good man. I know I have one and I’m not going to let him go and I’m going to be here for him when his dad passes which could be any second now.

  466. How lovely. I’m happy for both of you, Harriett! Hugs. Bp

  467. Hi Bobbi,
    I am in a very strong, committed relationship with a wonderful man, who, after 38 years of marriage, 3 children, and immigrating to Canada from Ireland, lost the love of life unexpectedly to a heart attack. He describes himself as being insane those first few months, but a friend convinced him to take up cycling. She passed on August 5, 2018, and in January, 2019, he put a profile on a dating site, at the advice of a friend and because he is a cyclist and I am passionate about cycling, I responded to his message. He is exactly what you described as a “gem”…. smart, loyal, committed, attentive and very romantic. I have been single for 35 years, and am very active, and a sporty kind of gal, who was/is very happy in her own skin, but close to retirement, so I was looking for someone to share that with…. It’s been a whirlwind, and two days after meeting, we booked a 10 day Hawaiian cruise… (he booked it and I said “I’m in”.) We had an amazing time, (and still are), and I believe that I am nothing like his wife, whom he loved very much. In my opinion, he was ready to find another love (even though it had been a short time), He wants to escalate things, but I am very respectful of his children, and don’t want to push this on them…
    This is a man, however, for the first time in my life, that I feel I can live with for the rest of my life… I’m in an entirely new place, and I believe, so is he…
    I was doing some research about “how to date a widower”, when I came across your blog, and I am so happy that I have…
    thank you for posting your insights…. I’m in a place I have never been, but it’s a glorious place.. 🙂

    Kathy

  468. I’ve been dating a widower for almost 5mons. We knew each other 40yrs ago. He was with his wife for 20 years and she was sick the last 15mons. He is so kind, loving, caring, and so thoughtful. We have talked of marriage and he calls me his girlfriend to his friends and his family. He does talk about her some, but has done most of the purging of her things. I will be moving into his home where they lived. It makes me nervous to change things, but I’m going to take it slow. He is so worth any obstacles that I face. I love your article, and I’ve read many in these last months.

  469. I appreciate you taking the time to share your experience and your thoughts, Brendan. I can’t imagine what it is like to lose your life partner.
    You’re so right about that list of must-haves. They are so often pretty silly and more about someone being a good date instead of a good mate.
    You’re a thoughtful man. Don’t give up. I hope you find another love. Bp

  470. Greetings Bobbi: I stumbled across your very well-written article and thought I’d add my thoughts. I’m 66 and was happily married for 30 years (only marriage) before losing my late wife to cancer in October 2015. I began dating again in early 2017 and have had two “serious” relationships with quality women each of which lasted about six months. In both cases, I had hoped things would lead to marriage but issues arose that we couldn’t resolve. As one of the women told me “If all you wanted was a warm body to cling to and someone to cook you an occasional meal, you’d be married by now.” I agree. I am now more philosophical about re-marrying. It wasn’t that my late wife was perfect – she (like me) had her share of flaws. I believe the biggest challenge is that most of us carry around a list of “must haves.” If the other person doesn’t check the right blocks, we move on. Meanwhile, however, time is passing. The reality is if we’re unable to compromise on what we think is most important in a relationship, we end up spending a lot of time alone. But I do agree with your point that a widower who has made peace with his past, is a good communicator and open to new experiences can be a wonderful person to spend time with.

  471. Bobbi, Thank you so much for your advice. I did meet with him and we had a really good talk. I asked where he was at and what he was thinking. I also did let him know that I needed to be able to see him at least once a week, that I needed the one on one face time with him. It has been about 6 weeks and he has made the time to see me at least once a week sometimes more . It has been really good to do that and we talk and spend quality time together. I am happy to take things slow as I believe it is good for me as well. He did express that he has much stronger feelings then just caring for me a lot but he wasn’t ready to admit that yet which I completely understand. I truly believe that no matter what weather this works out or not that he has helped me to understand what I deserve in a good man.

  472. You are so welcome, Patricia. Keep your heart open and enjoy yourself. Wishing you happiness! Bp

  473. He’s not ready, girlfriend. I think you know that. Bp

  474. Hi Barb, thank you for the article. I wanted to share my experience and any comments that could be helpful. I recently met a widower. His spouse passed 3 years ago. He has 3 grown children out of the home. After the passing of his wife he became involved with a co-worker who he has known some 14 years. She was divorcing during his wife’s 18 month battle with cancer. They formed a bond working closely all those years and then it progressed into a romantic relationship for about a year . I meet him on Match some 2 months after his break-up with her saying they could not agree on things and broke it off. He’s 51, I am 54. It was full on chemistry and amazing connection, he moved things very quickly with me, wanting a very committed relationship. We became exclusive within the 1st month. Expressed i was for him and he wanted to spend the rest of his life with me, he even started looking online for a home to move closer to me, we were together a total on 3 1/2 months, then poof he calls said he needs to re-group as he is over-whelmed with feelings for me, her and late wife. He needs time to sort through all this and has lost himself. No contact for a week. I am not reaching out to him and letting him be. I really care for him and thought after 9 years since my divorce I finally found my guy. I’m not certain he won’t go back to the woman at work who is gone for the summer and will be back in August, but told me his intentions are to not be in any relationship and sort through his emotions and find himself again. He said while he was with me he was struggling with feeling and trying to push them away, as he was in love with me too but thoughts of his late wife and ex girlfriend were all overwhelming him to the point he just had a breakdown and engulfed with emotions. Any advice on seeing something like this before ?

  475. Hi, Bobbi. Thank you for some basic information on dating a widower. Luckily it coincides with my innate sense of approaching this relationship, so nice to know. I also had a long successful relationship that came to an end but not with death… but bitterness. A death, nonetheless. I met my friend on a dating site and we have shared a lot in the past five months. I must admit it started out shaky and it seemed to me kind of a reverse way of starting a relationship. Instead of excitement and anticipation to be together, it was more like doubt and trepidation.. I hung back and gave this person space to formulate his thoughts although he texted me frequently on a light note. This distance persisted for about six weeks and then he came to me saying he’d like to give it a go. We communicated about what that might look like and agreed on starting out doing weekends. This is where we are presently and I must say we have an amazing time together. I have not totally overcome feelings of being used from my past marriage and am paying close attention not to have these feelings now when I do special things for this guy. I guess my end point here is that I’m currently concentrating/meditating on keeping a blank slate and everything I do, I do from my heart. This seems to be a healthy approach to maintaining my self and my approach. Thank you for the work you’re doing.

  476. The beautiful thing about dating like a grownup is that you can actually TALK about things. Even things that are difficult. Here is an article I wrote about how to set up these conversations for success: https://datelikeagrownup-com.mystagingwebsite.com/talk-man-something-thats-bugging/. Just remember to be specific about what you want, such as “I want to explore a possible relationship with you, but it’s going a little fast for me.” Then ask for what you want: maybe just focus on just dating, having fun and not worrying about the future for right now, with a possible check-in about where you are emotionally for both of you in a few months? Best of luck! – Bp

  477. Fabulous article, and just what I needed. I’ve been dating a widower for less than two weeks. I’m 56, he’s 65. He had been married for 44 years, wife died suddenly 4 years ago. I’m the first person he has dated since she died. A friend set up the blind date. When she made the arrangements, he was very clear that he wasn’t looking for a relationship, just someone to go out with from time to time, which was also my goal. I’ve been fairly happily single for 8 years, just a bit lonely watching my married friends go out on the weekends. Now, a week and a half later, he is telling me what strong feelings he has for me, sending me “I miss you” texts every day when I’m at work and so on. I’m concerned that I’m just the sudden fill-in for the loneliness of the past 4 years – hence his quick jump to the emotional attachment. He talks about his wife a lot, both the good and the bad, but I think he really needs someone to talk to about her. His life has been on hold these past four years, and it’s all pouring out now. It feels way too soon to have a “let’s talk about what we want out of this relationship” conversation, but I am worried that I’m going to bolt and run if he keeps up the smothering behavior. I can’t tell if this is his nature to hover and cling, or if it’s just the loneliness. However, I am also worried that having that conversation will make him think I’m not interested, which I am. He’s fit, active and has a spark in his eye that I would like to explore.

  478. You should enjoy it! Sounds like you let him know what you do and don’t want. Now go just enjoy him and show up as your best self! – Bp

  479. You need to ask him – very directly- for what you want, girlfriend. If you don’t feel the connection because of no communication in between dates, ask if he’s open to talking about how you can make that happen. Have an honest conversation. That’s almost always the answer to your quest if you’re wondering how he feels. Hope he’s open to it! And if not, time to consider he’s not ready and if this is enough for you. It’s up to you! Bp

  480. Time to pick different men, right? Bp

  481. Mandy the best advice I can give is o ask him. Just tell him how you feel and what you told me. You don’t want to erase her and, on fact you and in fact you’d like to know a little more about her. Ask if he’s willing to talk about it and how he might make some changes in his home to help you feel more comfortable and more open. He could be happy to oblige. But Be ready for a no. That’ll tell you all. Bp

  482. Hmmm sounds like he is still very involved in his emotions over his wife’s passing. Is he ready to move in and give his heart to another woman? I think you know the answer. ❤️ Bp

  483. Hi Bobbie,
    Thanks for your post. Unlike most ppl here I am in my 30s (33 to be exact). I met a guy (41) 8 months after he lost his wife to cancer and they have been married for 11 years + 3 years of relationship. We have been together for 6 months now but it has been a constant mental challenge to me. I have never even been married and I have a feeling that I could do better than continue living someone else’s life! His phone and laptop background is her picture and he goes to her deathbed 2-3 times a week. Don’t get me wrong, he is very kind and everything but I can’t come to peace with his situation even after so many therapy sessions. I have a sense of jealousy towards her for some reason. I am one of those ppl that like to be exclusive and center of attention if you will but not sure he can give me that as I know in his mind he is always going to love her probably more than me. I am almost being convinced that I should break up although I like him so much. Any advice is appreciated.

  484. Right to the point:
    I am a little uncomfortable with the shrine of photos he has of his wife (who died of a long battle with cancer 8 years ago). The photos are everywhere, even in the bedroom. I think a few family pictures and one or two would suffice, BUT not in the bedroom. Not if he wants to have a new life with a new person. They had a good life together and it looks like it was a loving relationship. I want to get to know more about her and love him very much. He says he is ready to move on, so is it just his decorating style? or is it a red flag for something else?
    The house looks like a woman still lives there. he hasn’t changed a thing.
    Maybe it’s just how men think… they don’t think to redecorate and limit the photos?

  485. So glad I could help you, Frieda. There’s no sure thing when it comes to human relationships, right? And this type can be complicated in its own special ways. Yes, definitely things to consider. The key is mostly good communication from the get-go with any man, but especially a widower. Glad you’re here! Bp

  486. Rick I’m so sorry you had that experience. You’re obviously a kind, good man. Yes, loneliness does suck. But don’t give up! This one didn’t work out but someone else will. We’re rooting for you! Bp

  487. I’m happy for you Patty! I can’t imagine How difficult it is to lose your spouse. Kudos to you for continuing to believe in love and going after it again. Thanks for sharing your story! You’ll give other women (and men) hope! Be happy! Bp

  488. I am also widowed after 40+ years of marriage. Met Dan in December of 2017. He had lost his wife that August after 50 years of marriage. My husband passed in May 2016. By the 2nd date, we knew what we had together. He proposed on the 20th of December and we married in March of 2018. Life is awesome for both of us, we are both retired and traveling and enjoying new life together. I am 65 and he is 73 and we are truly soulmates.

  489. I have dated a widower twice. Both times he constantly talked about his wife and in-laws. Never asks me about me or my family. It’s all about him and get and their memories. I feel like he doesn’t see me.. I feel like a therapist.

  490. Rick, I am so sorry for your loss. It sounds like you really loved and were devoted to your wife. Please look into joining a grief/widowers support group. It will help you process your grief and give you some of the companionship and understanding you are so needing right now. And you will realize you are soooo not alone! Best of luck. – Bp

  491. Hello Bobbi your article came just in time because I have been dating a widower for about 4 months now and it has been great. We have been on many of dates and enjoyed each others company. I enjoy our conversations and we talk only during dates or dinners, he does not call me or text me at all. I don’t understand why! He is a great guy but I believe he is not really ready to be close to someone yet but he still wants companionship with someone. I told him we should break it off but he does not want too and keeps asking me out for dinner etc. I know his wife has only been deceased for almost 24 months now and it is still new and very painful for him, but should I do? I really enjoy him and falling for him because of his kindness when we are together. I really appreciate your knowledge on the subject and normally I would not reach out for answers but I want it to work because he is a great man and he is everything I prayed for and more. So, thanks again for this wonderful article it really inspired me to be kind and patience toward our relationship.

    Yours truly,
    Sabrina D.

  492. Also, in just rereading your article, I just learned quite a few things about myself that I didn’t even realize. I do hate waking up alone, I hate not having someone there to talk with, be it good or bad, I hate going to bed alone, I hate the quietness of my home. I have desperately tried to cling onto any woman that listened to me , be it a co worker or friend or in my recent case and old girlfriend. Constantly texting and talking, keeping my phone in my hand hoping for a phone call or text. What a loser!! I just wanted to hear her voice or see a message. I know this is your advice to women, but anything you could possibly tell me would be tremendously helpful. Big part I think on why I’m so fkd up is I was just a caregiver for the last 11 years and the last 2 years was 24-7.
    I woke up one morning and ….nothing….didnt need to make breakfast…didnt need to get her dressed and put the “news” on, she loved the news. Just so hopelessly lost. Friends told me to see someone, my doctor told me to see someone, I feel that I somehow should be okay, if I can take care of her , I can take care of myself. Sorry for ranting,, but this also just gave me a sort of peace knowing I am confronting something within me. So thanks Bobbi, no need to reply, your article was helpful enough. Have a wonderful life and keep up the good articles and giving insight on us widowers to your followers.

  493. Wow, very insightful, I am now a 55 yr old widower and married over 31 years. Everything you wrote on I felt. In fact I met up with an ex from about 33 years ago and I just did what you said. I threw everything I had into bringing it to the level I felt I needed, companion, friend, confidant, a lover. She had expressed these feeling to me as well and I thought I was going to be able to find my “happy” again. Not sure exactly what happened, but after telling my children, ( daughters, not happy at all) quit a job and ready to move back to another state, she completely dumped me and then stopped all communication. No excuse, no reason just nothing. So, I think you are absolutely right in saying that we as widowers are seeking that love again is right. Perhaps my fault for moving to quickly and she got scared off. Live and learn. Yes,, loneliness sucks and willing to do anything to do anything to make it go away.
    Ladies….. she is 100% correct in her writings, heed her advice, those feelings she spoke of that we feel is spot on. Wish to God I didn’t know that, but unfortunately I do.

  494. I lost my husband 10+ years ago to cancer. The man I am interested in is a widower of 5 years. The unique situation I find myself in is that he and I were a couple years ago in college. When we broke up, he met his future wife and I met my future husband. Both of have raised our children and are retired and free. We have discussed our losses and our religious beliefs. We are in total agreement. I do have a leg up on grief recovery due to the time my husband has been gone. His loss was a shock, an auto accident. We have agreed to keep it simple and go places together. We shall see where this goes. I’m 67, he is 69. I’m encouraged by your article.

  495. Al I understand that taken care of and taken care of your woman yeah my wife and I were married for 37 years and she was sick probably most of that but she was too good for me but I guess it’s kind of hard for women we might want to meet if we hang onto too much anyway I wish you the best of luck brother

  496. I really am not answer that one I think I understand how you feel I hope it works out for you

  497. hi I am a 64 year widower after 37 years of marriage I don’t know what your guy was like but maybe he’s just a little shy I don’t know, hang in there

  498. Wow that’s pretty rough girl I know how he feels I just left my wife and wouldn’t want to do that either but I think he should have let you know more about that before you got involved

  499. Thank you John!! I appreciate you taking time to comment. Hugs to you! Bp

  500. I just wanted to say I am a 64 year old widower and I am very impressed what you wrote I agree with you

  501. Thank you for insight… keep posting your insights, I’m waiting on pins and needles

  502. This is such an interesting article and so many interesting comments!
    I am never married with no kids and have often thought that a widower would be a good match (no nasty divorce, no bitterness about marriage). However I can see from the comments there are many important aspects to consider when dating a widower. Just like an “ex girlfriend” he may not be over her and also very important to understand where kids (if there are any) figure in the equation. It is understandable that they might also be concerned with their inheritance if there’s money involved. Kind of like dating a divorcee in some ways.
    Very insightful article and comments.
    Thank you for sharing.

  503. Yes I had my first date this weekend with a widower. I usually shy away from them because I had a bad experience with one who talked about his wife so much. Plus he just wanted to get laid.. it did not happen. Thank God. But this new guy, we met on dating site. So he asked me out next weekend. We have common interests. I did let him know that I do not want to be the right now girl.. while his scouting around for ms. Perfect. Or he just want to get his grove on.. he understood. We had a wonderful time. I was shocked he asked me out again. It’s been a long time since I dated. We kissed. Goodnite. Then Sunday he asked me out. I don’t know what to make of it really. What should I do?

  504. Hi Ann.I’m also happy that you found me. What a beautiful story that you tell. I’s so lovely that you both took the chance at your next love story. I know that dating a widower can have its very unique and difficult challenges, but your story reminds us that taking that chance can have tremendous payoff. Stay happy and, again, thank you for sharing. You Gave me such a warm, yummy feeling and I’m sure that many women will feel the same. You’ve helped those women, you know! ❤️ Giant Hugs. Bp

  505. I was friends with this woman and her husband for years – they lived out of town but we kept in touch. I loved how he treated his wife; just one of “those guys” that you truly admired and wish you could find one just like him. After 16 years, I found out she passed away. Didn’t even consider anything as he was always her husband. I reconnected with him because I was in the area. It was nice to see him and we talked of his loss. I went back to see him and another friend a few months later and after spending hours of talking to him, something hit me! I tried to deny it and fight it but the heart knows what it wants. We would text back and forth and I didn’t want to let on how I felt as I was afraid to cross that line. Well, one night he called me and we talked for over 5 hours and we both unveiled how we felt about each other after the weekend when I was down to see him. We finally got together and it was like electric; two hearts that connected in such a grown up way. The communication was huge for both of us. We talked about his late wife many times as I knew her; he loved her and that is why I fell even more for him. I knew he was a good man – dedicated and knew how to be committed to a woman for over 34 years. Today, we have an amazing relationship that feels like we have been together forever. We laugh, joke, cry, talk about everything. He introduced me to his son (who I did know before) but certainly not in the way of “us” now and it was all great. My family loves him and knows that fate brought us together. He makes me a happier person and we talk about how each other brings out such a better person in both of us. I believe that being in our late 50’s is huge; it’s not about the heated passion when we were in our 20’s; it’s about what love really is…the little things…the hand holding, the kiss on the cheek, the door openings, just feeling respected. He always says, “I’m so lucky to have a second chance.” I know he loved his wife, so did I and I never want that to be taken for granted but I also know he loves me deeply. It’s not a competition, it’s not a replacement – it’s a different love with me, as her and I were different people. I never dated a widower before but I think that the friendship we had helped to form a foundation. Our situation is amazing and I feel so lucky and blessed that life brought us together in this way. Your article was great and I normally do not read things on the internet but something took me to your page. I’m a firm believer of nothing in life is coincidence; reading your page is one of those things. Thank you and God bless you.

  506. I was friends with this woman and her husband for years – they lived out of town but we kept in touch. I loved how he treated his wife; just one of “those guys” that you truly admired and wish you could find one just like him. After 16 years, I found out she passed away. Didn’t even consider anything as Mark was always her husband. I reconnected with him because I was in the area. It was nice to see him and we talked of his loss. I went back to see him and another friend a few months later and after spending hours of talking to him, something hit me! I tried to deny it and fight it but the heart knows what it wants. We would text back and forth and I didn’t want to let on how I felt as I was afraid to cross that line. Well, one night he called me and we talked for over 5 hours and we both unveiled how we felt about each other after the weekend when I was down to see him. We finally got together and it was like electric; two hearts that connected in such a grown up way. The communication was huge for both of us. We talked about his late wife many times as I knew her; he loved her and that is why I fell even more for him. I knew he was a good man – dedicated and knew how to be committed to a woman for over 34 years. Today, we have an amazing relationship that feels like we have been together forever. We laugh, joke, cry, talk about everything. He introduced me to his son (who I did know before) but certainly not in the way of “us” now and it was all great. My family loves him and knows that fate brought us together. He makes me a happier person and we talk about how each other brings out such a better person in both of us. I believe that being in our late 50’s is huge; it’s not about the heated passion when we were in our 20’s; it’s about what love really is…the little things…the hand holding, the kiss on the cheek, the door openings, just feeling respected. He always says, “I’m so lucky to have a second chance.” I know he loved his wife, so did I and I never want that to be taken for granted but I also know he loves me deeply. It’s not a competition, it’s not a replacement – it’s a different love with me as her and I were different. I never dated a widower before but I think that the friendship we had helped to form a foundation. Our situation is amazing and I feel so lucky and blessed that life brought us together in this way. Your article was great and I normally do not read things on the internet but something took me to your page. I’m a firm believer of nothing in life is coincidence; reading your page is one of those things. Thank you and God bless you.

  507. Sounds like he may not be ready and you can’t force him to be. All you can do is let him know how you feel. Then he either steps up or not. Sure, You have to consider his grief and tough life situation but you also have to take care of yourself and watch out for your own needs.It just may not be the right time. Best advice I have is to talk honestly. Bp

  508. Hi Kathy. My husband’s grown children treated me like crap for quite some time. My saving grace was that they lived in different states so I didn’t have to spend very much time around them. They had their troubles and I realized that it was about them, and not me. To be honest it took my husband more time than I would have liked to finally let them know it wasn’t acceptable and it was time for them to act like adults. But he did it. Bottom line tho was that I always knew that I came first. He showed his love to me in many ways. He wasn’t going to allow their nonsense to affect our relationship. So I just learned to let their crap slide off.
    Unfortunately it’s not too unusual for adult kids to have issues. of course losing a mother can be incredibly difficult and that adds to the difficulty. Bottom line is does HE give you what you need and can YOU not allow their childish rude behavior to get to you? Best. Bp

  509. Hi, I have been dating a widower for 2 years now. He is kind, funny, and loving. Sometimes he is a little sassy. I love him. The only problem we have had is his 2 adult boy families. He invited me to his house for the weekend, he hadn’t dated for 43 years. His youngest sons family just walked in and was surprised to see me. (They never knocked because he was alone all the time) Another time, his oldest sons family came over to borrow his truck and they were shocked I walked out. He later talked with his boys alone and apologized because he never had thought about his kids and dating. It’s been a rough time whenever we got together. The oldest sons wife hugged everyone except me at their kids concert ( I go with him to all his grandkids events) I cried so much from that privately. He said Just wait, they will eventually figure out you aren’t leaving. Well, it’s still kind of stiff but at least I get hugs. Is there hope for me with them? I love them very much too!

  510. Good afternoon!
    I’ll just get to it. Ive been dating a man who after 6 months decided he was ready to get out there and we started going places as friends. He admitted to me he had feelings for me more than friendship. It was me who wanted to take things slow, and he started telling how much he loved me and he saw an amazing future for us and how he wanted to kiss my lips for the rest of my life. Talk about falling head over heels. We went thru all his first with the deceased spouse and I backed off and gave him his space and he thanked me profusely for giving him that time to do that. I did notice that once the holidays passed he had pulled away some nothing big but lets just say the I love you slowed down some. We just came back from a week long cruise. I then asked him why he had not fully come back the way he was before. He stated his missed his wife and wished he could have his life back from several years back and I totally get that I went thru a divorce that was not of my choice so I know exactly what he means by wanting his life the way it was. Long story short I have not seen him or talked to him in over a wk. Wow how did we get here? I’m heartbroken he did say he wanted to slow things down & that he was really missing her and needed to face his fears. Really after a year ?? is all that came to my mind didn’t say it just thought it. I am wanting to reach out and let him know I want to support him while he travels this journey thru his grief. He is a great man and I love him wholeheartedly, but I don’t want to push him away from me either.
    How do I let him know I am here for him so that we can at some point get back where we were

  511. Lisa, a month is just too soon. And it sounds like he is, understandably, using you for emotional support via constant texting. Is that what you want at this stage of your life, to be a texting buddy with a freshly grieving widower? You can consider sending him your condolences, letting him know you still care deeply about him, but that he needs time to grieve and support his children. And let him know you’ll invite him for coffee in a year or so to touch base, but until then move on with your life. And no more texting in the meantime. Just a thought…best of luck. – Bp

  512. Kirsty, I cannot tell you what to do. If you did not work for him I’d suggest you open up about your feelings to him. Since he is your employer it might make going forward either very awkward or untenable if your feelings are not reciprocal. So you need to factor in putting your employment in jeopardy if you open up. If you do decide to open up to him you can start with something like “I’ve realized over the past few months I’m starting to have romantic feelings for you. I don’t want to put you in an awkward place, but I felt like I needed to share that with you.” Then see what he says. Best of luck. – Bp

  513. Hi Bobbi
    I have a dilemma! I took a part time job nearly 4 years ago with this lovely lady who sadly passed away 20 months ago. She had become a friend in this time. I continued to work for her husband and having not known him before, have found he’s such a nice guy and I really like him. They had three lovely girls all now in their 20s who have left home but they are all very close. I get on great with them especially the youngest. About 6 months ago it dawned on me I found I had fallen for him more than just a friend. We get on really well and have a strong friendship which includes a lot of teasing and banter. I am very shy with guys though and the thought of rejection makes me curl up. I’ve never hinted to him I have feelings (I’m very good at surpressing them). I would really like to ask him out but I just don’t know where to start. I usually see him once a week. Outwardly I am very confident. I want to be respectful to him and his loss but at the same time I can see a more confident woman will come along and steal him from underneath my nose simply because I’m being pathetic! Help!

  514. I’m in a courtship with a widower and this has been a new experience for me. We met in a mutual circle and hit it off well and unexpectedly. We have been talking every since and he has been pursuing me. It’s been a lot of talks about his late wife and I must say that it hasn’t bothered me much. I know that he is still in a grieving process and his two kids. We are in the stage of letting the kids meet in person in and seeing how we can blend the two families together. I love this man and he has confessed his love for me and shows it very well. I know he misses his late wife everyday and not a day goes by that he doesn’t miss her. I can’t wait to start my life one day with this man as my husband. But I know it will come with some challenges of always having to make room in my life for those special days of her living and the anniversary of her death.
    Thank you for these articles they are really helpful for someone that has never dated a widower before. ~Triece (in love with a widower)

  515. I had a crush 5/6 yrs ago with a married man and it was mutual. However, neither of us went any further than friendship and flirtations because of his marriage. We have kept in touch over time, not often because the temptation was to great for me and I knew I would end up hurt if I got attached to him. Recently, like a month ago his wife passed away. She had cancer the year before, thought she was in remission and died the same day he took her back to the Dr. Within a few wks he was constantly texting me. Talking to me about his adult children and how they were handling the loss. After about 2 wks he was texting day and night. But, he has a grown daughter 27 yrs and a granddaughter who is not doing well at all so we both decided we can be friends but I haven’t seen him yet. I want to give him time. He told me honestly he didnt know what was ahead of him which I totally understand. But I have always had feelings for him and would definitely want to pursue this at some point. Am I just going to be his rebound???. His marriage was not perfect yrs ago , he told me that. But he would never have left her . So I walked away. Now , do I risk my heart to let him in when he does come around? I’m not sure his daughter will be ready anytime for him to move on. She is constantly at his home , trying to hover over him. He tells me everyday , Goodmorning Darling….. . Im terrified. But we are both in our 50’s our children are grown. I know I have to wait , its to soon. But do I just wait and see if he continues to come toward me ?? We have so many things in common, yet really dont know each other. I’m just scared of getting my heart broken . Any suggestions Lisa

  516. Diana, you have a lot to think about! And it sounds like you aren’t trusting your own judgment because of past mistakes. I get it. I suggest you talk as openly as possible with your man about your worries and about what you are both really wanting. Good, grownup communication, especially about difficult things is the basis for a wonderful longterm relationship. Without that, ya got nothing. Also talking to a counselor about this might help as well.

  517. I am in a relationship with a former high school classmate that lost his wife to cancer about 3 years ago. We met up early last year and have been with each other since. I had to go back to another state and get my long overdue divorce which the marriage was over about the time his wife got sick. I accept he still loves his late wife and has his triggers as he calls them, her birthday, the day of her passing, tangible items. He treats me very special and has told me I mean the world to him, I know he wants us! But, at times, I wonder… I have met his family early in the relationship and he makes sure I am with him when he sees them and loves the fact they love me quite a bit, family is everything to him. He has even started calling my dog his step son lol.

  518. Hello,
    I’ve been talking to a man for the last 6 months whos now been a widower for some 10 years. I had known from some common friends that he never seemed to have got over his wife so it was surprising when he himself kept keeping in touch with me at a regular basis.
    I figured he might just have moved on now so gave it a chance although I did sometimes sense that he had her very present but also understoof he had loved her madly for 15 years, got married and then she died of cancer.
    I took it apprehendively and with patience until one day he put a Picture of hers on his wassap display pic. When i asked about it he said it was her birthday. I tried to understand that obviously he had been in love intensely.
    After a few weeks there was a picture of an old couple bonding and read “some loves just never die”. He said it was the date she had died. Again…i understood.
    Next is what brought me to serious reflexion and would appreciate you helped me. After a few months where we seemed to be getting quite into each other, he invited me for lunch. After lunch he surprisingly took me to his house. A very pretty house with great energy but it pulled me down how he showed me around naming how most of it had to do with his wife.. Decos made by her..her books..magnets and gifts from their trips.. even their wedding gifts.
    That created a great stir in me but what knocked me down few days later was his display pic with a collage of both of them.. from their child pics.. to their story … ending with the old couple again.
    So is it just me going insane about feeling in a middle of a “living relationship” and feeling side tracked or is this full of red flags about him not being ready yet?
    How am I supposed to carry this out without hurting him nor myself.?
    Thankyou for the article!!
    Sarah

  519. Bobbi, I am so happy I found your post today. What a sanity saver this post has been! I’m fairly sure I found a great catch. His wife of 34 years died 14 months ago. But he’s not only grieving her, he also lost their only daughter in a car accident 5 years ago. Additionally, he’s 20 years older than me. I’m 38 and he’s 58, but says he wants to have children (probably because he lost his daughter). I don’t have any, and I love the thought of it. So many articles and blogs are dedicated on HOW to date a widower or make it all about the widower. I haven’t found much on how to deal with MY feelings on dating a widower.

    I feel like I’m competing with his ghosts. We agreed to take things slow, because he has said himself I am the only competition to his ghosts. He mentions her on occasion, but it’s not excessive and it’s always a funny story or something. Nothing serious. No pictures of her in his house, except a couple where his daughter is in them (he has many of his daughter). I personally struggle with me wasting the last few years of fertility to him. I wasted my most fertile years with a loser (divorced) and now I struggle if I want to be his life Part #2, when I could meet someone else and be their everything. And have a normal relationship like everyone else. I am having a hard time dealing with these thoughts. I really really like him, more than I’ve liked anyone before.

  520. It sounds like you have two different issues with your fiance. One is that he has ED, which is a thing at our age. But having ED doesn’t preclude having a loving, intimate relationship with your partner. And there are treatments that work. The second issue is that he promised to never love anyone again? Are you really OK with marrying someone who wont’/can’t love you? Sex issues can be worked out between two grownups who deeply care for each other. The love thing, not so much. – Bp

  521. Joanne, what is it that YOU want from him and this relationship and your life right now? He’s made it clear what he needs, but I don’t hear you saying what you want? Take some time to be quiet and examine what it is you want. I suggest you take a break from texting with him so you can get clear. Then once you figure it out, have a grownup conversation with him – just like he did with you. Maybe you two can find some commone ground, maybe not. But you have just as much right as he does to get your needs met. Hope that helps. -Bp

  522. HI, I have been dating a widower for about 7 months now and things have been going extremely well. I have let him lead and taking things at his pace. It has never bothered me when he would talk about his wife as they were together for 24 years, and he never over talked about her and was always very respectful to me. About 3 weeks ago he came over and told me he needs to take a break, take a step back as he is having a internal battle inside him. He said that he truly cares for me and that he can see us on a porch when we are old rocking in rocking chairs together. He said he is not ready to introduce me to his kid and family but he wants to and knows they would love me, he told me I have put no pressure on him to do that and that I am the most patient and kind person he knows, but that he feels I am further ahead in the relationship then him and he wonder if I deserve someone that is in the same place. I asked him if he wanted to go out and date others and he said no that hasn’t even crossed his mind. I also asked him if he wanted to break up and he said no he just needed some time. I asked him what a break looked like to him so that I could respect what he needed and he told me he still wanted to text everyday (which we do). sometimes I initiate most of the time he does. I was going to ask to meet for dinner in a couple weeks so we could talk and I could see where he was at ( it would be 5 weeks at that point). What are your thoughts? Should I ask to meet him? should I just be patient? and if so how long for? he t5old me he had dated a couple other women before me but only for a couple months, His wife passed away from cancer 17 months ago.
    Thanks for any advice . Joanne

  523. My fiance’s wife died 10 years ago after long illness’. I have been a couple with him for 1-1/2 years now. We have a completely retarded sex life because he promised her he would never love anyone else but her. So, because of that, he cannot perform sexually with me. I don’t even want him to try having sex with me, because I know a half a minute I will be putting my nightgown on and getting out of our bed completely frustrated. He retards the actual act of having sex with me. He has E.D. now all the time as he has admitted it is a very crowded bedroom. What should I do?

  524. I don’t blame you. Move on sister! Just remember, this isn’t about you. – BP

  525. Being widowed after a 30 year marriage will most likely take a few years, at least, to process. He is telling you what he needs and it is up to you to decide if you can or are willing to wait. If not, then it’s totally legitimate for you to move on. If you are willing to wait, then you might need to back off a little when it comes to wanting an answer about your relationship. Maybe you two can agree on a time when you can both check in with each other about how it’s going? 6 months? And in the meantime just relax, continue to get to know him and enjoy the relationship? – BP

  526. Actually, I seem to be in the classical widowers not ready rollercoaster. Now he regrets have terminatef our relationship. I am done. I don t want to go back into this rollercoaster.

  527. Thank you so very much for your reply. Well I talked with my husband – it did not go well at all. He said I was attacking him and the memory of his late wife. I am in counseling and I have brought these issues up but, honestly, I don’t feel I truly understand my feelings. I suppose if I don’t feel the peace I am needing in the near future I will, as you recommend, seriously start thinking about whether I am getting what I need from this relationship. Thanks again. It has really helped to read everyone’s comments to know I’m not alone.

  528. Dating the most tender, loving, kind man I have ever met after a long marriage of my own. He is a widower of a nearly 30 year marriage, lost his wife about a year ago. We both have grown children who are supportive and outstanding young adults.
    We’ve been together 8 months and I have zero reservations about him, his kids, nothing at all. Everything you said about a gem: knowing how to navigate a healthy relationship, etc could not be more true with this man (and his grown children). I feel no jealousy or competition of any kind. I have let him know he can talk about her if he needs; I am here for him and to be very honest, I feel like I’ve come to love this woman and wish I could have known her. She was sick for a few years, and she was adamant that he write a fresh new chapter when she was gone. She gave him the gift of freedom.

    Everything is wonderful…with the exception of it feels he has gone from his talking about marriage and our future, to now telling me he just doesn’t know. I would never fault him if he realized he was not ready as he previously thought he may be. But as old as I am, my heart will still be shredded. And frankly, I will not be dating again should he decide he’s not ready (or I’m not the gal he’d like in his next chapter).

    My thing is, at nearly 50 and being married a very long time (both of us), I personally feel I know what I want : what I will and will not tolerate, the kind of relationship I desire, etc. It does not take me a year or two to figure that out. My feeling is that his saying he will need a year or two to figure that out is my answer. It is not about having to know the end of the story. It is about my simply knowing if we are on the same page.

  529. Honestly, no, I can’t explain it. Losing a spouse is such a personal journey a person goes on and each is different I how they grieve and heal and choose to live the rest of their lives; especially when it comes to relationships. What I think you need is HIS explanation. Ask him if he will try to help you understand his feelings and how his memories might affect your relationship. Give him time and space but let him know it’s important to you and to your relationship. I hope he is able and willing to have he conversation (or several, as that may be what it takes). With some understanding, then it’s up to you to to decide if you are getting what you need. Best. Bp

  530. Two months can be a little early to know where a relationship is headed. And, it sounds like he’s been through a lot. You can certainly let him, or anyone you date, know that you are looking for a long-term committed relationship in your life. It’s good to have these grownup conversations early on. In the meantime, enjoy your growing relationship and getting to know each other!

  531. Hello. I have been married to a widower for five years now. He always called her the love of his life, his soulmate. Now he says that I am, too. I guess you can have two?? We sleep in the huge bed he gave his previous wife for their anniversary. A $3,000 bed. Her dream bedroom. I go along with it. He used to keep his wife’s ashes about 15 feet from our bed. I would mention that I felt it was disrespectful – to her and to me. However, I made sure the box was polished, would never let anyone lay anything on it. Eventually I told him he had to move the box with the ashes to another room. He became furious with me saying I wanted to put her in a closet; however, the next day the box disappeared. I have asked to see pictures of his previous wife and have sat with him and his children with her talking about her and letting them remember. I was genuinely interested. Yesterday I went into his drawer I sometimes go through (not like it’s private) and found their wedding picture and a rather sexy picture of her and my heart just stopped. She has been gone for 10 years. I have to admit I’m not really understanding this – the wedding picture, yes. But the other one?. Are you able to explain the reasoning for this? Thank you for your time.

  532. Thanks for your feedback, Brian. We all appreciate hearing from someone who has been there. Though it’s been a rough ride it sounds like you are using some good coping techniques. Here is one suggestion: Maybe take a cooking class? You can make your own homecooked meals and maybe meet some like-minded people? Thanks again.

  533. Hi Roberta — Speaking of jealousy and relationships, I am not sure how happy Bobbi will be with me providing advice to you on *her* site . . . But this is so personal to me that I feel a need to respond. I managed to get my wife to the hospital across the street so that she did not die in my home, although some of the most dramatic moments of her illness occurred there. Anyway, since your friends wife died at their home, the home is sacred to him. Have you thought about having him visit you? Perhaps you should stay away from the overnight visits and confine yourself to cooking dinner for him . . . I wish someone would cook for me as I am sick of restaurant food and TV dinners in the microwave. Second, regarding your work in a cancer/radiation office, normally healthy people are there for two reasons; to work or to take care of a loved one. I applaud the people who work in those places as I could not. In our case, my wife had acute myologenous leukemia, which is so serious that it is only treated at a few special centers — normally large hospitals associated with universities. Third, I think your friend is lucky to have met you. He would be smart to count his lucky stars because unless he is rich, famous, young, or incredibly good looking (or preferably some combination of all of these things), dating sites are not kind places for widowers — and I speak from experience. Fourth, if I were you I would not try to compare yourself against his departed wife in terms of how much he loved her as opposed to how much he loves you. One tends to love people in different ways and departed wives wear halos. Also, we tend to remember all of the best times. No good can come to you from competing against someone who has died. Fifth, work is frequently a happy spot for us widowers. I just asked my employer if I can continue to work past retirement age. There is nothing worse than sitting home alone on weekends. I work as much as I can, and there is nothing wrong with working hard and earning money as it is as American as apple pie . . . So you need to just deal with that. Sixth, I hope that Bobbi publishes this. I’m not trying to hijack her site and it is her position to provide advice here to those of you who write her. I respect that as I am just a customer here, like you. I hope for the best for you — you sound like a terrific lady.

  534. Sounds like you’re settling for a few crumbs Roberta. I encourage you to think carefully about what you need and are willing to accept. Bp

  535. Brian, I just read what you wrote and I’m very sorry for your loss. I spent the last six years working in a cancer radiation office. That is where I met my friend I had no idea he was married and that his wife was dying of cancer. I quit seeing him as soon as I found out. He took care of her I talked to him everyday until she passed. Of course I didn’t see him for months giving him the time he needed and the time he still needs now. I went through this with him and I still cry over it so I know he’s still hurting and we do talk about it. I respect him for what he did and I hope he will grow to love me as much as he loved her. Yes, it’s been four years and we do care for each other. There is a little distance but he works overtime all the time and the only time I see him is when he can make it out to see me he won’t let me go to his house yet because she died there. I feel like we can’t get this going until he gets past that. Kind of don’t know where I sometimes or if I ever will fit in his life. Any feedback or suggestions I appreciate. I do wish you the best of luck and again I’m so sorry about your loss.

  536. When I met him I didn’t know he was married. His wife had cancer so I quit seeing him until months after she expired. It’s been 4 years, I’m still seeing him but he won’t let me in the house where his wife died. It makes it hard because of the distance I can only see him when he comes to see me. He has done a lot for me, I know he cares in fact he said the last time we were together that everything was too perfect I don’t understand what you meant by that. Now he’s taking care of a family memoved on hospice so again I haven’t seen him for weeks. We do talk on the phone yes we talk on the phone. He keeps me posted and as he says when he calls he’s checking in.

  537. Dear all,
    I have been writing before. This has been a major roller coaster but yesterday I received a letter where I was “dumped”. In short, we met too soon. It is still too soon although over two years have lapsed. We met 3 months after she died. He says he has not sorted anything out yet – including feelings. Does not want to keep me on “hold”. He says he loves me. He desires me. I am great, beautiful bla bla but for now he is setting me free. I guees this is something one she reads exactly as it sounds although I doubt you can really leave someone you love. I feel a mixture of relieve and sorrow. I love him but this is tooooo hard. I am also setting him free in my mind.
    Any advice?
    Alexia

  538. I recently dated a widower. His wife, God rest her soul, passed away 16 months ago. I am 43 and he is 53, with 2 grown sons. We only dated for a short time but he is the most amazing man and I like him very much. During our last meeting, he told me that he wished to keep seeing and getting to know me. This made me very happy. I do know that he was struggling with guilt and I assured him that we would take it at his pace. I was his first date after his wife passed and in 26 years. The following day I texted him, just to check in. We used to text every day. He responded saying all was well. The following 2 days, my text in the evening was ignored. Eventually, he did respond.

    He told me that he’s not ready for a relationship as he is being consumed by guilt over me. He knows that I am attracted to him and vice versa. He thought that he was ready but he feels like he is cheating. Thankfully, he is engaging with services to deal with his grief. My heart goes out to him in this situation and I completely understand his feelings. It’s normal. He’s the best man that I have ever met and I think of him every day. It’s taking all of my self control not to reach out to him. I have left it open for him to contact me sometime in the future, when he is ready. My question is, is this a waste of time? Will I always just be a reminder of a time when he was consumed with grief and guilt?

  539. Thank you for your thoughtful comment, Brian. I am so sorry for your terrible loss. I can’t imagine how difficult that is to live through. I agree wholeheartedly with your call for kindness and patience. And that we ought not try to use comparisons. I suppose we do that to show some empathy, but I see your point; it’s a very rare situation that compares and it can seem like we’re minimizing. That’s good advice. That said, the women have to also take care of their needs. If she isn’t getting the attention or affection she needs…if she can not get past feelings of jealousy. bitterness, or fear…she should graciously bow out instead of trying to force the man to be in a place he’s not ready to be. That’s the kind thing to do for them both.
    I don’t agree with your 3-year wait time. I think it varies by man and by situation. I see many men whose wives have been sick a very long time and have been given
    permission” to love someone else. (My dear Aunt Shari did that for my uncle and he’s out there like a freaking 80-year-old teenager. Ugh!)Then there is the man who thinks he’s ready to love again, but isn’t. That man sends a lot of mixed signals. I understand that he *wants* to be able to love and be loved, but he should also do the kind thing and be honest with himself and the women he meets.
    This is SO complicated! Again, I appreciate you sharing your POV and great suggestions. Best to you, Bp

  540. Yes it’s normal Shelby. Read remarks here and you’ll see how common this is. You’re marrying him, right? So you better be able to talk to him about your feelings. This is important and I hope you do t go into your marriage without that honest conversation. Bp

  541. It is sad. Though I can only imagine g how hard it is to lose your spouse. People deal in different ways. But pls don’t go for the FWB. It won’t be good for you. Bp

  542. I am a widow. I lost my husband Marc after 18 years of marriage to a brain tumor. It was awful. But tha t was 23 years ago. Now I find myself dating a widower. His wife had been dead only 3 moths when we met online. She had killed herself with a gun. I was shocked by this and afraid and at first wanted nothing todo with him. But I met him. I got to know him. He’s the sweetest guy I know. He was a good husband. I don’t know why she did this but she has left behind a husband and 4 adult children who are totally screwed up by what she did to them the day she calmly walked off the back porch into the barn/workshop in the back yard and shot herself. Now we are engaged Nd I’m living with hi, and all the stuff. I find myself wanting to completely gut the house and redecorate. I feel oppressed by her memory. Is this normal?

  543. I just found your site by accident. I lost my wife of twenty five years to cancer a couple of years ago. Most ladies cannot conceive how difficult this is, by and large because most of us men do not have strong networks of family and friends. A comparable situation for a woman might be burying an infant without the ability to have another . . . So my advice to your readers is to simply be patient and try to put themselves in the position of the person who has lost his wife. The golden rule really applies here. Many women expect way, way. way too much too soon where widowers are concerned. (Re-read a few of these entries on your site that confirm what I am saying here.) A lady should give a relationship with a widower at least three years. Women should be kind and patient and they should stop thinking of themselves all of the time and whining about things. We live in an instant gratification type of society where people want things right away, but relationships with widowers do not work that way. Also, resist trying to compare your divorce or the death of your uncle or grandmother or anything else with his experience. Unless you have buried a child (see my earlier comment), you have no experience that even remotely compares with his loss. The thing to remember is that we widowers did not choose this destiny and we would all of us have our wives back in a heartbeat. Stop trying to fight that and look at the upside — most widowers were stable partners and have a lot to offer to the right lady.

  544. I am dating a widow who wants a friend with benefits. He really is a friend and would do anything for me. But his home is still as it was when the love of his life passed to years ago. It is very sad he never acknowledges her or the loss

  545. I have been dating a wonderful widower. He was married 59 years. He has been a widower for around three years. Before meeting me he had a relationship over a year. She recently passed away. We have been dating 2 months as she was very sick and told him to go out. We like each other very much. He and I got close in friendship and affection. I am not sure where this is headed. Is it to early to say
    what he is feeling. Should I remain quiet. I am a widow of five years.

  546. I first want to say, I know what it’s like to lose a parent, then put into foster care. I understand the loss of a parent. I am dating a widower, his wife past away from cancer 4 years ago. However, the issue isn’t about him, it’s about his kids. How do you deal with a 27,25,22 who wants to come in between us 90% of the time. Example, his daughter who is 27 lives at home, and when ever she is saying that she is depressed he stays home with her and cancel plans with me. His one daughter is full of drama, and yes I know I’m not use to it as I have (1) boys. How do I handle this situation – his 2 boys I get along with. I have been over at his house, have met his late wives family and been invited over for the holidays, its just the one daughter I have an issue with.

  547. Hi Sarah. Unfortunately he is actually sharing what’s in his head: he’s conflicted and not ready. That’s how I’m reading it. When a man says he ‘doesn’t want to hurt you’ he’s trying to save you from himself. Listen to him and believe him. He may be ready in the future but not now. Take care of yourself and consider leaving him be right now. Bp

  548. I did give him 98 percent – but he just bailed one weekend and I did not hear from him for 3 days…that was not acceptable and I knew he was not ready after 3 years. I was the rebound and thought it could work…but all it seemed to do was reopen long healed wounds…suddenly every movie, every song, everything reminded him of her – I think it was because he was having fun finally and had not had to think about anything…except living and the guilt just did him in. I was always on his side, understanding…but the one flaw with that was I became disposable ear and heart – so when he just bailed I knew he never took into consideration the chances I was taking…it never entered his mind…and so that stats continue…reounds and widowers should show a failure rate of 98 percent….it was 95 but add another doomed chance…

  549. Hello,

    Im dating a widower. Our relationship is only 8 months…the 1st 4months he was not a widower (they were in the middle of a bad divorce – bad marriage for about 8yrs, and she died in an accident).

    I have known him for many years, strictly friendly manner.

    I have been there through every step of this process (the morning she died, moving etc.).

    We enjoy each others company, and see each other often. I recently met his mother etc. However, I find as soon as things feel “easy” he steps back and states he has a lot in his head and doesnt want to hurt me. He wont share what is in his head though. And this story doesnt make for the easiest google search.

    I am patient. But also a woman with emotions.

    Walking away may seem like the smartest thing to do so that he can “grieve” properly. By the same token I enjoy seeing him.

  550. Sorry Alexia but this is far too deep to address here. You know I wish you happiness and encourage you to take care of yourself. Keep learning. Bp

  551. Thank you Bobbi I’m not a therapist!

  552. Hi Bobbi further to the below, this has been a tough week. We are always on a long distance relationship. I feel like we are hitting a wall. hard. We had a beautiful vacation last week but back (1) there was this party when I hear him referring to her as his wife – to my friends. (2) he tells me like it is nothing that he will start using one of his two phones where she is on the screen safer (3) two years since she passed a and he posted a photo on facebook (did not warn me in an honest way), just said he might do it due to pressure from his daughter but it was unlikely – then he did 5 min later (4) he talked about us maybe going fishing together but the w wend before he would be with his family the summer house (no mention of us).
    I am so emotional about this screen safer photo, I already told him it hurts , still he does not seem to be able to let go and it matters more to him then my feelings. i am trying to bw considerate, he asked me to like the photo his posted of her on facebook (due to 2 years death anniversary) and I did with pleasure – even liked that he had asked me.
    I however am starting to feel that I simply cannot be in this Relationship, it is too emotional and tough for me. I however have no doubts that I love him and don t want to give up so easily. Please help!
    Alexia

  553. Tell him the truth. That simple. And lesson learned, right? You don’t want to be a man’s nurse or shoulder to cry on. Bp

  554. I’m sure this is difficult, Shell. Sounds like he’s giving a lot, but it’s not enough for you. So think about whether you want to share your need for him to do something with the pictures and expect him to do it OR whether you can work on being able to live with them and accept what he has to give. Or maybe it’s neither and you’re not right for each other. It really doesn’t sound like that’s it. I’m sure it’s not easy but dealing with this head-on may be the way to your happiness. Hugs, Bp

  555. Good advice. Bp

  556. Tammi, you’re a generous and well-grounded woman. I admit that I’m not an expert at gift giving. I don’t really see a physical gift you can give to communicate your loving support for him. What you can give him is simply telling him you love him and exactly what you told me. Write him a love letter. Sit him down, look him in the eye and tell him that you understand and you’re there for him. Hope this helps. Hugs, Bp

  557. I don’t think this has anything to do with him being a widower, Laura. He’s just a cruel son-of-a-bitch. Please take care of yourself and LEAVE. Bp

  558. Beth, I can see why you are guarded after your experience. Question #1 is not uncommon at this time in life. What I would concentrate on is if he is, in fact, getting help. Is he being honest about trying to make it better for both of you? As far as #2, I see it’s a Big Red Flag that you haven’t been invited to his home. Time to have a serious conversation. Be honest about your concerns and invite him to share his thoughts. Best. Bp

  559. This is one of the most mentally & emotionally draining things abt a relationship with a W. When the man u love is telling u he loves u and wants a future with u and u feel like the pictures are staring angrily back at you. It’s a struggle between the head & heart. You know u shouldn’t feel like this but u can’t help but feel the hurt inside. It’s not like ur jealous of his dead wife but it’s like you see HER face everywhere and u feel like a “substitute”. Idk… It’s just so sad & hard for all involved. 🙁

  560. Hi, are you hanging in there? Dealing with the same situation.

  561. Hi Bobby,
    I have wrote here before and you gave me a beautiful advice. I am loving a widower. There have been heavy ups and downs. I feel we have a good relationship but still are not totally where people are when they have truly decided to stay together. He is not able (for now) to remove from the facebook page that he is married to his late wife. Yesterday we were in a party and i heard him refer to her as his wife to other people – my friends. He says he loves me and says things like – if something happens between us remember that I loved you. I feel I have to put up with alot but when we are together it is the best. I feel that is fully reciprocial. My fear is however that he will always look at her as his wife and I am the eternal girlfriend who will never be truly his. I love him so I am not giving up easily. Any advice?

  562. Hi Bobbie,
    I am dating a W and it is going great. He is very attentive and has shown signs of being very interested. I just have two concerns. We have been intimate and he has always wanted to please me, but, he can not get it up. He says he really wants to and says it was not a problem before. He wife is gone 5 years. He says he is going to talk to a doctor, but as far as I know he has not and I am suspect he is afraid to find out what is really happening. He has even said he is afraid he may lose me because of it.
    Questions 2. He has not cleaned his house out of her stuff. I have not been invited their either. We have been dating 6 months and he has slept over many times and we have gone away twice.
    I am starting to loose interest because of these red flags. I had been in a 30 year marraige with a man who ended up being a transsexual. I think I am still bitter that he never was honest with me . With that being said I am very guarded with my heart.
    Help my heart.
    Beth

  563. Thank you for your blog. It’s very helpful. I am dating a widower and he is amazing! He’s been widowed for over 2 years now and he’s very attentive to our relationship, but also shares about his wife. Her death was a tragic vehicle accident, so it makes things more emotional. I’m honored that he shares their story with me. I love the way he loves her; it give me some insight to how he may love me as well.
    Valentine’s Day will be a bit of a challenge. It’s our first Valentine’s Day together, but it’s also his anniversary with his deceased wife. I know he will struggle with juggling grief and the excitement of “US”. I want to find a special gift that will express that I don’t mind sharing his heart with her memory on this special day. Any suggestions? I don’t know if that’s wrong. I’m shooting from the hip so to speak. I have never dated a widower, so your input would be much appreciated.

    Thank you again for everything.
    Tammi

  564. My widower husband changed after we married. He doesn’t call me by my first name because it rhymes with his late wife. He tells me if she wasn’t dead I wouldn’t be here. Hurtful, this is just out of the blue! If I am ill he downplays it and says “at least it’s not cancer”. I have gotten hurtful comments from his friends and church members and family. Such as; how could he marry you? Your name rhymes with hers, she was beautiful and we miss her. She was a pillar of the church, you aren’t. And how does it feel to live in someone’s shadow? He doesn’t defend me, I cry, I have feelings. People can be so insensitive. I feel like I’m just a buddy to fill his time. Family gatherings and friends parties are spent remembering her, it gets so old. They all talk about events they remember. I am never asked about my family, they don’t want to get to know me. It’s difficult because not many people understand where I’m coming from. I feel alone.

  565. He is obviously not ready but neither are you. Being able to communicate to him is more important than venting your frustration here.

  566. I could never really know how it feels to lose a spouse. I hope I don’t have to. But I agree with you. Amen! Bp

  567. Angry much, Erin? I’m not sure if you’re referring to me (who wrote the article) but I agree with you. It’s pretty much what I said – to allow him to continue to love and remember her. Bp

  568. Every person that lived and was loved deserves to not be forgotten. If someone bakes a million cakes on a loved ones birthday, who are you to judge? I would say that doesn’t make them not ready to love again, it is the type of person that knows how to love and keep their loved ones memory alive. I think your advice is beyond ineffective, it’s ignorant. Until your spouse dies (and you throw up at the mere thought), consider keeping your useless opinions to yourself. Please.

  569. This is amazing, Kaitlin. You are exactly the type of woman that a widower needs in his life. He is so lucky to have found you and I imagine that he is going to cherish you and the future that you offer him. Best of luck to you both!

  570. This is a good article but your comments section is horrible. I feel bad for widowers because women can be such jealous individuals. If you are a woman dating a widower and just want him to forget his late wife then you need to end your relationship and set that widower free. If you are a widower dealing with a woman with no tolerance about your late spouse then GET RID OF HER!
    There are plenty of us women who understand that we are not competing with a late spouse. There are plenty of us women who know your heart is big enough to love multiple people (or we wouldn’t have multiple kids, right?!). There are plenty of us women that will give you space to grieve and help you honor the memory of the woman who spent her life with you. There are plenty of us women who truly understand what it feels like to grieve one loss and still find joy with someone else at the same time! Get rid of these women who do not get it! Get rid of women who think “One Heart too Many” is a guidebook to live by. Get rid of them and make room for those of us that get it. Your late spouse should be remembered and she can be with the right person in your life.

  571. I met a man who is 65 yrs old and has just lost his wife 8 months ago. I gave him my number so if he needed to talk about his loss, pain or anything of that matter that I would listen. Now I regret doing that because he tells him he’s so heartbroken and still so in love with his wife and of course I understand that but in the same breathe he tells me that he has feelings for me and I did straighten him out and told him that I can only be his friend. Can you please tell me what I can do to let him know that he can’t be anything more than just a friend. Also, how can he have feelings for me? I’m really worried about him when he tells me he’s losing his will to live.
    Thank you for any help you can offer me.

    Rosie

  572. My advice is to just continue getting to know him. You don’t have to make any decisions at all. And if he pressures you in any way you don’t need to go there. Take care of yourself. Bp

  573. He had and lost the love of his life. I’ll never feel like #1. He’s a gem, I can’t get past his loving and missing someone else every day of his life. Her crap is everywhere. The photographs are everywhere. I’m sick of it.

  574. I have read several sites on “dating a widower” and what bothers me is the labeling. I don’t see how the advice given is different from any good advice about dating, except that it shows a level of concern for the guy that is lacking in the “me-me-me” strategizing that I have always hated in dating (and why I never did it).
    You have to admit your own neediness, mistakes and faults. You have to study how to do things differently. Above all, you must respect the other person and not assume he exists at your bidding … unless you are looking for a lackey. And what I think it comes down to is: stand on your own two feet. I recall a song by the Eagles, “I’ve got a peaceful, easy feeling, and I know you won’t let me down, because I’m already standing on the ground.”

  575. Excellent information & advice!
    I enjoyed reading your work & following your advice!!! Because, I am a single, 45yr. old woman & l am interested in a newly widowed 62yr. old man. I work with him. During,
    meetings he would touch my hand while he was talking & smiling. (Recently, while I was talking to him about a work project, he reached out & held my hand, during the whole conversation.) I didn’t respond to any of the “innocent advances”, because people were watching. [Then, out of the blue he stopped any physical contact with me, accept if I speak to him 1st & reach out and hug him.]
    But now, he just speaks. I think he likes me too; but I am not sure, what to I do? Any advice would greatly help.
    Thanks in advance & Looking forward to hearing from you soon.
    Ms. Sam

  576. What if I was his first wife? He left. Found someone else. Stayed married for 36 years. Till she died. Then he came for me, saying “there was always something missing”. And in that same time frame, my life was a horror story, of violence/alcohol/suicidal depressions. Now, wants me to be his girlfriend.

  577. I am a 71 yr old woman. I met a 72 yr old widower who is originally from Iran and has been here in the States for approx 9 years. His wife of 43 yrs died a year ago. He has two grown daughters and two grandchildren. The widower and I met at our local Y last May 2018. He has continued to tell me how beautiful I am and how he likes to be around me. We occasionally text. Around Thanksgiving time I texted him about how difficult it must be for him and his family during the holidays without his wife and mother of children. I did this because I am a retired clinical social who has worked in the hospice, grief & loss field. A short time later (within a few days) he texted me back telling me he loves me and respects me. I haven’t seen him since at the Y. His youngest daughter just moved into his townhouse. It’s a two-floor townhouse. I only see him at the Y. He’s never asked me out for coffee, tea, anything. He’s told me all about his live in Iran, how he feels about working two-three jobs there and not spending time with his family. I don’t know what to think. I like him very much, I care for him. Am I his Y friend and that’s it? I am scared because my spouse left me 37 years ago for another woman. I was left with three children to raise, ages 9, 5, 4. Life was very difficult. This man is the first man I have been interested in and cared for. What do you think? I really never know when he is going to show up at the Y. He doesn’t tell me. I do know he is an introvert and he doesn’t like things planned out. I am attracted to him and would like to find out if there is anything for us. He has told me many times how attracted to me that he is. Any help you can give me would be appreciated so very much. Thanks. Barb

  578. Maria, if you are sad and not feeling fully loved then this isn’t a good relationship. Is it you being insecure or him being angry and not being able to move forward with you? Dunno. Probably both. I’d advise to talk with him about your feelings but first you better figure them out yourself. Are you really okay with not feeling loved? Are you really okay with his anger? I encourage you to keep working on your co-dependency and, in the meantime, stay away from attracting/choosing men who aren’t healthy themselves. Hugs. Bp

  579. I am dating a widower for the past 15 months. He lost his wife 15yrs ago at the age of 40 to breast cancer, leaving him with 2 young kids, 9yrs old and 12 yrs old He is currently going through a divorce, married 6 yrs, with her for about 12. He says his feelings for his second wife he has come to terms with. He is sad a lot. He lost a lot of people back then in a short time frame. Hes trying to move on, out of the sadness and gies to therapy. When he is happy, it’s amazing, when he is sad, it’s very difficult and pulls me down no matter how optimistic and encouraging i try to be and i am stricken with insecurities in general!! How can I keep from getting down? I feel like I will never be on the pedestal his first wife is on and I AM TRULY OK WITH THAT. I am also met with the struggle of his feelings with dealing with.his divorce and the loss of a second home they shared that he LOVES, was his ” dream home, log cabin in the woods”. How do I keep myself strong. I love him, he says he loves me. But his feelings of sadness and anger can be so draining and I want to separate my feelings from his instead if his feelings affecting me. I am a care giver, a co-depenendent by nature, but working on it. I feel like I am the ” door prize”, but I think I’ve put that label on myself, not that he put that on me. Any advice?

  580. Unfortunately you’re probably right; you will never know. Just know that this is not about you. It’s likely that there is something going on in his life that got in the way. He knows something that you don’t that told him it’s not “to be.” I know it’s hard to see right now but he did you a favor. Take a little time to heal but try not to ruminate and fill in blanks. Grab what you can learn and move on. Sometimes btw all we can learn is that having an open heart can hurt. But it also ultimately leads to beautiful love. Hugs. Bp

  581. I was dating a widower (with 3 kids under 7) for the past 5 months. The relationship started really great and there was lots of open communication, which was wonderful. About Month 4, I noticed a 180 in behavior. Instead of frequently texting sweet things, he started to reply to my messages with short replies or the dreaded thumbs up emoji. I brought it up he said that he was glad I did and that he was scared and sometimes needed “a push” from partner to move forward. I told him that he needed to make these decisions (e.g. meeting the kids) and that I supported him in making them. 2 weeks later he asked me to meet his kids and I did. They were very cute and seemed receptive. The next week we had a wonderful date (he sent me the sweetest text afterward) and we talked every night the following week (we talked every night in general). However, during one conversation, we had a misunderstanding (our first disagreement) and then the next day he texted me saying that he thought we needed to “go our separate ways.” I was shocked. Things had been really good and to get this message was a surprise. I responded with my confusion, but wished him well and told him I was grateful for our time together and 2 days later he responded to say that he just wasn’t in a place to “do the work that managing a relationship requires.” I thanked him for his honesty, told him I’d really miss him, and told him to take care of himself. And that was 5 weeks ago. I guess what I struggle with is how do you go from being very affectionate on dates and phone calls and asking your girlfriend to meet your kids, to just never wanting to talk to or see that person again? It makes no sense. I really care about him and miss him terribly, but have accepted the breakup and have respect for myself and the relationship to give him the space he asked for. I just wish I knew the real reason for this rash 180 change in behavior that would lead a 40-something adult to break up with someone they allegedly cared deeply for by text. I guess I’ll never know.

  582. I’m so sorry for your loss, Al. I’m happy to hear that I can help you. Many men read me to learn more about women. Smart thing to do! I’m glad you’re here and thank you for sharing your story. You’re helping all of us by doing so. Some woman will be lucky to be your next love. Bp

  583. Bobbi,
    I am a man and read your article in order to gain a better understanding of how women view widowers. Many advice articles for women regarding widowed men seem to focus on the pitfalls of a relationship with a widower. These articles are depressing. I have loved through good times and bad for many years. I have been married once, and I took on the role of primary care giver for a dying wife with gratitude. I saw it as a prevelidge. I could not understand why these things would not be viewed as positives. Your article has helped me better understand behaviors to avoid, and more importantly has given me hope that some women do understand that a widower is not just one big red flag.

    Thank you,

    Al

  584. This sounds like a lovely, adult relationship, Pat. You are both caring, kind people and seem to be communicating well with each other. I like that you have stopped the intimacy and are continuing to spend time together. It’s a difficult situation. I’m not going to tell you to move on to someone who is ready like you are. I hope this works for you. Hugs. Bp

  585. OK that would be tough. But it’s a decision you have to make. There just aren’t a lot of ‘shoulds’ here. You just have to decide what you can live with. Bp

  586. I am reading these comments because of my current situation of being in love with my widower of 8 months who is having a very hard time. However, I need to say that the reason I am willing to wait for a good relationship with my widower is because of the love and care he had for his late wife before and during her illness. We did get together and had a “hot” relationship for a couple of months. I am currently on the back burner until he gets through some important “first” dates since her death, birthdays, holidays, etc. I understand completely, not to say that they don’t hurt sometimes, since I went through the death of a man who I had dated for 15 years. We are in constant contact but no more physical for a while. I believe relationships should be mental and verbal as well as physical. Only a couple of my close friends know about the relationship in order to keep it private until he is ready for all her friends and family to know, who incidentally are very vocal right now. This is very long distance and may never be possible, however, we are both in our 70’s and may never feel the necessity to marry again (I have been divorced for many years). I suppose if anyone came along that made me feel so treasured and respected as this man does, I might would be open. I think the important thing here for me is understanding and compassion and, lord love me, patience. He is NEVER nasty or ill-spoken with me. There is a lot more to this story of how we got together after her death but not necessary to this post.

  587. Am 27 years old, Am into a widower of 43. He has been alone for 5 years since the wife passed on. My question is: what are the things I should do to make him feel love again and happy. How can I pay a blind eye when the issue of the late wife is up. I need suggestion because we will be getting married this December 2018.

  588. What if spouse was murdered in home, should widower sell the house?

  589. Thank you! This was a wonderful advice. Indeed, as it is long distance R, I undermine the need for serious talks (use the time to be happy together). We have had some discussion (texting, over the phone…) but it has been more me telling him how I feel in general and an example of something specific that I cannot cope with any longer (FB profile picture of them together for ex. Which he then changed). I have not enough listened to his needs.

  590. Hi Alexia, I’m sure this must be very difficult. Having his children in the home in addition to it being an LTR adds complication but may not be insurmountable. Only you can decide what you can live with and it sounds like you have some very specific things that feel bad to you. As you have probably seen here with the varying comments, every woman has a different threshold and different needs. I can’t tell you what you should or should not accept. The best advice I can give you is to talk to him! Share how you feel, not forgetting to include how much you love him and acknowledging all he does do that makes you feel good. Then ask him if he’s willing to talk about how you two might work this out so you both get what you need. You need to get clarity on what you need and want before that conversation…but have it. If you two can’t talk about this openly and honestly then your relationship isn’t as good as you may think. You sound lovely and like you are able to look at this from all sides and hopefully, he can do the same. Hugs. Bp

  591. Hi Bobbi,
    I have written before and I did not receive any answer. I am struggling. I have a long distance relationship with a widower for more than a year. We met very soon after his wife passed away. She was a personality, politician, loved and admired. The have 4 kids 3 living at home (14, 22 and 24). we have a long distance relationship. His house is filled with photos of her. His bed table has photos of them as a couple (that he takes down if I sleep there). He has two phones – one with a photo of her as cover photo. There is a photo of them on instagram together, he change this on facebook because I asked him to. He says he is always going to celebrate her birthday. He tells me he will always love her and that he misses her dearly. They were together for 29 years and married for 23.
    On one side, I have the best relationship with my widower when we are together. We have the best time. I truly love him. He tells me he loves me. That he heart is exploding he loves me so much. He is very kind to me. On the other hand, there have been times when I feel that he is absent and that hurts. Like he is just gone although he s with me. This happened very strongly when we went with his 14 years old daughter on vacation. I have often thought about breaking up with him but then I see him or hear his voice and I just cannot. I truly love him. My problem is then bounderies, what should I not cope with any more? Photos at home I find difficult as 3 of his kids still live there. Photos in bedroom? I think they should gradually leave. Photo on instagram should leave. Celebrating her BD – I do not think my opinion matters, he would anyway. What can I accept? Sometimes those exterior signs of his love for her are ruin all the great thing we have together. I let it make me sad instead of enjoying all the good things we have the the progress we have made. Now again he was talking about her birthday and told me he was going to celebrate it like always. He make a big party for the family (their kids, her father, sisters etc)
    Please give me some guidance I want to be thoughtful but also respected. It is that limit I find so hard to find.

    Alexia

  592. My husband told me for 30 years I ya e my late wife 100 percent of my love and you deserve nothing less.
    Now that’s a man.

  593. There is no way to quantify the “when” here, Chris. I think the answer is that the time is when you need it to be able to feel safe/loved/prioritized. You need to have an honest, grownup conversation with him to see if, as a couple, you can come up with a change that works well for both of you. Maybe it’s limiting the number or moving them. Think about what you would be happy with and talk to him.
    I advise you to keep your distance from bringing his kids into the conversation. As someone who married a man with grown children who were evil to me the first year we were married (and his daughter still hates me after 12+ years) my advice is to tell him your feelings. Let him make the decision about how much he will/will not allow his children to affect your relationship. I wish you the best. As women have said here, navigating this kind of relationship isn’t for the weak. Hugs. Bp

  594. Share with him the same way you shared here, Kerrie. Tell him you want to share something with him about how you are feeling to see if you can work it out as a couple. Tell him that he is wonderful and caring and how happy you are to be together. Then tell him that when he refers to [her] as his wife it feels [fillintheblnak]. Ask him if he would be willing to change the word he’s using. Maybe you two could come up with another way to refer.
    The word is meaningful to him and, if nothing else, he has a habit of using it. If he needs to ponder, give him some time to process and come back to you with an alternative or to ask what you’d like. Stay happy! Bp

  595. You’re so welcome, Pascale. It means so much to know I’ve helped you in any way. Your book recommendation is appreciated! Bp

  596. I so appreciate your contribution to the conversation. Elaine. That is really good advice. As we can see just in this comment string, there are so many deep feelings and questions to ask about dating/having a relationship with a widower. How fantastic it is that those women have your support. Bless you. Hugs. Bp

  597. I’m happy for you and appreciate your point of view, Tina. You surely know a lot from life experience. Thanks for contributing to the conversation. Bp

  598. Thanks for your comment and sharing that info Francie. Bp

  599. I’m dating a widower, who’s wife had a long time illness, he was ready, However he has wedding pics all over his walls & pics of his late wife & he on vacations & with the (now grown) kids. The kids told him they fear he will eventually taken down their moms pics & forget about her. Which is absurd as they were together 40 yrs. It’s been 14 months now since her passing. Every time I visit his home I have to endure these pics while watching a movie with him.
    My Question is: When should he take down all of those pics? After I move in? ugh
    Thanks,
    Chris

  600. I know very little so I can not really say Naomi. Keep learning about him and communicating with each other. Bp

  601. DEAR BOBBI
    I AM DIVORCED NINE YEARS NOW. SO THE LAST FOUR I HAVNT EVEN DATED COZ I WAS TIRED OF NONSENS AND HAD A FEW REALLY BAD ENCOUNTERS WITH MEN. HOWEVER,,,I MET A WIDOWER TODAY FOUR MONTHS AGO. A BEAUTIFUL HUMAN BEING WITH A HEART OF GOLD. MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IVE HAD BEFORE.
    THOUGH…IT HASNT BEEN EASY FOR ME. WHEN ONE DATES A DIVORCEE, ONE KNOWS THERES NO “COMPETITION” IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ( I MEAN EVERYONE HATES AN EX AND DONT HAVE PHOTOS ETC ANYMORE).
    WHEN I MET HIM, HIS WIFE WAS GONE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. WHEN I WENT TO HIS HOME, THEIR PICTURES WERE STILL ON THE WALLS,,,ALSO AT HIS OFFICE ETC. FACEBOOK STATUS REMAINED WIDOWER FOR SOME TIME,,,AND ALSO HIS CAR REG NR WAS HER NAME. (WHICH HE DID AFTER SHE PASSED AS A MEMORIAL I SUPPOSE…OR SOMETHING).
    SO DURING THE FOUR MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN TOGETHER HE SLOWLY MADE SOME CHANGES LIKE REMOVING THE PHOTOS FROM HIS OFFICE AND REPLACING THEM WITH PHOTOS OF US. REMOVING ALL THE PHOTOS IN THE HOUSE. AND PUTTING THEM IN STORAGE. ALSO CHANGED HIS FB STATUS TO ‘ IN A RELATIONSHIP’. THE CAR REG NR ISSUE CAME UP A WHILE BACK AND I TOLD HIM THAT I STRUGGLE WITH IT. EVERYONE KEEPS ASKING ME HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT AND ITS DIFFICULT TO ANSWER. SO HE AGREED IMMEDIATELY TO TAKE IT BACK TO A NORMAL REG NUMBER. HE HAS NO CHILDREN. SO ACTUALLY THE RELATIONSHIP IS EASY IN A WAY. BUT I AM STILL SO WEARY…WHY IS THAT? HE DOES TELL ME HE LOVES ME MORE THAN HE EVER LOVED BEFORE. DO I BELIEVE THIS ?? DARE I BELIEVE IT? OH I DONT KNOW! ITS NOT EASY. I WONT SAY ITS HARD. I JUST FIND IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE I SUPPOSE.
    FROM HIS SIDE HE HARDLY EVER MENTIONS HER. WE SPEAK ABOUT HER ONLY WHEN I ASK HIM SOMETHING WHICH I BY THE WAY DECIDED TO STOP NOW. BUT I WAS CURIOUS – U KNOW.
    BUT THIS IS BY FAR, THE BEST RELATIONSHIP IVE EVER BEEN IN. HE IS A WONDERFUL MAN. AND TALK ABOUT GETTING MARRIED NEXT YEAR. AND I WANT TO. BELIEVE ME I DO. THEN WHY AM I STILL A BIT RELUCTANT. HE IS DEFINATELY THE COMMITMENT TYPE. I GUESS I AM TOO. FROM HIS SIDE HE HAS MADE SO MANY CHANGES. SO I FELT HORRIBLE TO BRING UP THE CAR STORY. BUT I COULDNT LIVE WITH IT. IM SORRY BUT I COULDNT. I FELT LIKE A DOG. OR A WITCH. ANYWAY, DO YOU THINK THIS COULD WORK?
    BY THE WAY – I AM FROM JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA

    WARM WISHES

    NAOMI VAN HEERDEN

  602. I am dating a recent widower, as recent as June. We took it slow at first. Texting as friends. We have known each other for over 30 years. Grew up down the street from one another and dated while I was in high school. Apparently he had unresolved feelings from then and a little over a month after she pasted he contacted me and we chat on messenger for hours and after few weeks talked on the phone for hours (like 7 and 8 at a time)and finally met up after 30 years. Instant connection. He’s a wonderful caring man. Been dating a for 5 weeks now. He says he loves me. And has for 3 decades. I care very deeply for him. We’ve worked thru many things but one thing is he still referees to her as his wife. Since I’m the girlfriend I feel like the other woman and she’s still there. I haven’t found a way to let him know how I feel. Don’t know how to approach the subject. He feels they had a perfect marriage and she was an Angel. I’m really understanding with it all just can’t deal with him still referring to her as his wife. Wouldn’t be as bad if he called her by her name. How could I bring this up to him. It really gets to me to the point I’m in tears when I’m not with him.

  603. Thank you Bobby for your article. Everything I can find on the topic help me. I recently read a wonderful book: One heart too many by Denise Wilson.

  604. I co-admin a no-censor support group for women with widowers. Some of them and / or torchbearers associated with them do some amazing and original things to undermine an otherwise loving and satisfying relationship. Needless to say, a
    lot of raw feelings are expressed. Some “Ws” seem to hold the feeling that they are entitled to yap about their dearly departed any time the mood strikes, and expect a sympathetic ear. Let me say one thing any wife or girlfriend of a successful relationship with a W will tell you: Grief is not a couples activity.

  605. I think you are totally wrong. I am married to a widower. We went through many stages to get to where we are. He listened to my concerns and came to the conclusion that for 30 years I gave my late wife 1000 percent of my love and life. You deserve no less. There is no 5 percent kept back. And a woman that accepts that is fooling herself.
    She the late wife was in the home she didn’t have to contend with pictures of a prior love. Neither should I.

  606. I honestly don’t know Mary Jane. And maybe he doesn’t either. What’s in order is a heart-to-heart grownup conversation. Tell him how it feels that you can’t go to this home. Do it in this kind of way: “I’d like to tell you the story that goes on in my head when you won’t let me be with you at your home.” Be honest and give him a chance to explain what he’s feeling and his reasoning.Hugs. Bp

  607. Hi Naa. I’m so glad you find my work helpful! I’d love to talk with you about how I might help you further. I suggest that you look at my coaching information and, if it seems to fit what you’re looking for, make an appointment with me. I look forward to it! Bp

  608. Hi Kelley. I’m so happy to help. It’s very kind of you to ask this question. I admit I don’t feel like an expert on this so I checked the powerful google. I like the suggestions of what NOT to say in this article.
    As far as what TO say, I strongly disagree with their #1 suggestion: What happened? No! Don’t do that. If he wants to share he will. But on a date the last thing you want is for it to devolve into sad stories about your past. Read this article about

      how to avoid “baggage bonding.”
      I DO like the other two recommendations:
      – I don’t know what to say.
      – I can’t image how you feel (Or maybe better is I can’t imagine how hard that was.)
      Give the article a read.
      Ultimately I think the answer depends a little on the person. But you have the approach just right, girlfriend. I hope this helps! Bp
  609. I’m curious how you acknowledge the death of a spouse when you’re getting to know a man and he has just told you his wife died. I’m recently divorced and when I tell people that I kind of cringe when they say “I’m sorry” but I understand they are just acknowledging that it was a hard process I’ve been through. How do you do this with a widower in a way that acknowledges their difficult path & loss, yet doesn’t sound like you are offering pitty, minimizing, or over emphasizing their path that brought them here. I like how you dress issues like an adult and would very much appreciate your thoughts on this subject. Thank you! Kelley

  610. Hello,
    I really like your approach.
    Would like to speak to you. Can you please contact me vua my email. Thanks

  611. I am dating a man whose wife died 7 years ago and he says he cannot Et me come visit him in the House they lived in. We have been dating 3 months and he tells me he loves. However, I feel awful about not being able to visit. I feel he is still grieving and cannot move in. Do I have a chance or just run. Please help me!

  612. I want know more about dating a widow man, cuz I’m just meet a man that loss.his wife 6years ago and he wanting to get know me

  613. Dear Bobbi,
    since the above was written I have been in his country (my old home country). We started by having a dinner with friends. when home, I some how starting talking about how difficult this all was for me and I was not sure I could do this. The feeling of not being a real women in his life. I am not sure he gets where I am coming from but we spoke. We then went to a wonderful wedding together. On the way back I met his mother (for the first time), his sister and daughter (22 years old who has huge difficulties accepting our relationship). We spoke quite a lot and he is very fearful of hurting his daughters. He is committed to me. There is no doubt about that. There is no doubt that he deeply likes me. That we get along well. However, he still loves his wife and deeply misses her. I am afraid he will never be able to truly love me. This relationship is a rollercoaster although more and more committed and less and less withdrawal. I still find it beyond difficult. It would be great to get some guidance. Thank you!

  614. I don’t know the answer to that, Esther, but I can tell you that reliability and consistency counts – big time. I want you to fall head over heels for a man who shows up and steps up. Not sure this is your man. You deserve to get back what you give. Stay conscious and take care of YOU. Bp

  615. Dear Bobbi,
    I met this widow on tinder two months ago. We seemed to have quite the same kind of humor, he seduced with a joke duel. He has been widowed for almost a year, and I am widow myself, but two years in my case. Even our bereavement anniversaries are both in late august. The night we clicked we were on the phone for three hours, although he told me he is not ready to feel connected with anyone. We had (fantastic) sex almost right away (after kissing and petting on our first date). He repeated that we was not ready and did not want to hurt anyone. He only texted first on a few occasions in the first weeks. Sometimes he takes ours to reply to my texts, usually with courtesy. We have met several other times, mostly very sexual. One day he introduced my to his employees and said I am a friend he can boast about because of my high professional/intellectual level and that he finds it attractive that I play golf. But there has been a withdrawal, he told me he had just given final rest to his wife’s ashes between two dates of ours. Last time we had an amazing golf training together and we enjoyed it a lot, no pressure, as just friends (excluding the bye-bye moment), we keeps repeating it and swears we wants to do it again. Last week he had been cheerful again by text. But the other day, after flaking several times on a supposedly very busy schedule he cancelled after promising to come over to my place for sex. He declared he is giving up on sex and then kept me texting me jokes for half an hour. Sexual attraction must certainly be strong as everytime he have been in a private place he has been all over me, and I guess this does not go away from one day to the other. On top of that, it is not easy to find a good golf partner, I want to keep options open but still stay under his radar. I find him so interestingly refreshing. Of course I have fallen head over heels for him. It is so difficult to find educated, respectful, humorous, decent looking man. I know he may find I am pursuing too hard, I know he may enjoy me texting first for validation, I have read so much about this I am going mad. I gave up yesterday on all advice and texted him a have a nice weekend/relax text and he thanked back calling me by me nickname. Am I an idiot for not giving up completely on him?

  616. I have been dating a widower for over a year. His wife died three months before we met. Our relationship has grown. I feel it is committed since a little less than a year. It is a long distance relationship. We have managed to see each other very often. Recently he spent a few weeks at my home. One of his daughter (22y) is not accepting that he has a girl friend. I have met 3 out of his 4 kids. The youngest is 13. When he was with me and talked to her on the phone he never mentioned us. Me and my son. Still he said she new were he was. All his friends and family are aware of me but there has been ne urge to present me to them, I am also not pushing. I have met some of his friends though. The closest once. He sais that he still misses his late wife a lot and “there is so much love” he sais. Then adding, like between us, there is so much love. He has rarely said he loves me. He sais it is a big word he does not often use. He sais he cares so much about me. That he likes me so much. That he has not been with anyone else since we met. We have great time when we are together. Still he has photos of her as a screen saver on the phone. His youngest daughter will come to my country soon with him and he warned me that he had do stay with her in a room (she is 13) and not with me while she was there. That hurts. Next Christmas will be with them, his kids, and we will be far away. He said we may spend the new years together. I think it will depend on how his children feel and what they accept. He said that I am number 1 but there so many number 1. I think he is then thinking of all his kids and his late wife. He is always kind to me and treats me will. I never doubt that he likes me and deeply cares for me. What I fear is to be a mistress and not fully in his other life. He does not want to get too committed to my son (who is 8) before his kids are on board. Does not want to be in another family without having his kids in it. Said we should maybe more meet on week days. I understand this may all take time and there has been a clear progress since last year but so many things hurt. I often think I cannot do this. I however deeply love him. He is a great man and a great father. Please give me some advice including how to accept that he shares a room with his 13 years old instead of me while visiting me. First I thought that would only be when in my house (not to have her sharing a room with my son, rather I with him and he with his daughter) but I means also when we go all together to a third place. It is very weird for me. Finally, he is making a huge effort to come with me to a friends wedding. It is far and a real hassle for him but he is coming. He is definitely trying but still I am sometimes totally loosing patience.

  617. Hi there, can you recommend me some support groups please?

  618. Hi there – this all feels like the right advice – but how do you shed your insecurities and allow yourself to be happy and loved? I have so much fear.

  619. Hi there – this all feels like the right advice – but how do you uncover whether the widower feels this way too? What if they are lying?

  620. Tough situation Teresa. I can tell you. From personal experience that you are not going to change his relationship with his son unless he’s ready to change it. I had a like experience with my husband’s daughter. Happily he chose to invite her to either except me into the family or not, but told her I was staying. If your man isn’t doing that — and I can see how hard it would be for him under the circumstances — then you may have a long-term challenge.

    Are you can do is have a honest conversation with him and believe what he tells you.if he says he won’t be able to work this out with his son for two years he means it. Now it’s your job to decide if you can live with that. If your man isn’t doing that — and I can see how hard it would be for him under the circumstances — then you may have a long-term challenge.

    All you can do is have an honest
    conversation with him and believe what he tells you. If he says he won’t be able to work this out with his son for (at least) two years, believe it. He means it. And together try to come up with a win win solution. But in the end and together try to come up with a win win solutions.But in the end it’s your job to decide if you can live with that I wish you the very best. Bp

  621. I have recently started dating a widower of 4 months. She died from alcoholism and left a 13 year old son as well. He lived with this for 13yrs. Of an 18 yr marriage. She stayed drunk and was not a good mother or wife. He is an incredible man, father and held it all together. He is successful in his career and desires to move on. We have a great and strong connection in a month. Have the same goals and background and already know we will probably be together forever. However,his son met me once and refuses to even talk to me. He is very troubled, understandably. However I see him controlling his dads life. We are in a long distance relationship (2hrs) making it more difficult. Please help me in what to do. I feel we are soul mates. We are 52 years old and want to start a life but he thinks it’s going to take a least 2 years for his son.
    Thanks and please help!!

  622. I met a gem, his wife had cancer for five years and died a year and a half ago.
    He has three grown up daughters which one lives with him and her fiancé and their daughter.
    I really like him, I pray for guidance. I just hope he is ready. After reading your article I will ask. In person.
    Wish me luck.

  623. I really need advise – I have this anxiety in my stomach about my relationship…

    I started dating a WONDERFUL man about 2.5 months ago- approx 1 year after the sudden passing of his wife of 10 years. In the beginning- I was dating 2 guys casually and told him that I wasn’t looking for another casual partner- but a real relationship. He was dating someone and admitted he wasn’t sure he was ready yet for a relationship. We met on a rock climbing trip and spent the whole weekend with friends and having a blast. He pursued me pretty hard after. A couple of weeks after starting to date- we became exclusive. He texts me all the time– we hang out- climb- he acts like he’s crazy about me. He’s so tender, sweet, attentive when we are together. I adore him. I knew I was falling in the first month. About 2 weeks ago- since things were going so well- I admitted to him that I was “developing real feelings for him”. He kinda freaked out– immediately saying that we should take a break. It was like I was slapped— things were so awesome and he was so quick to say that. I said ” Why? things are going so well- I don’t want to take a break. I thought we were falling in love– this seems so mutual– you don’t have feelings for me too?” He said he did– that we were going in the same direction- but that he is slower than me. He went on to say he had tried to pump the breaks– but he never talked to me- so I said I didn’t understand passive aggressive and if he needed to slow things down it was ok– that I understood where he was at when we met and who I was with. He seemed relieved after and happy — but it honestly busted me up inside and I’ve been sitting in silent sorrow about it since- feeling very confused. After we agreed to slow things down– he went back to acting the EXACT same way. If not- MORE attentive and sweet. It really confused me. And honestly- since then- I feel like his words and actions don’t match and that I can’t trust the amazing thing that seems to be happening when we are together. He’s introduced me to some of his friends– he doesn’t hide me. Even when we disagree- we talk and don’t fight– our disagreements have brought us closer. He seems to act fuzzier after them… I’m trying to show him he can trust me and open up to me. He tells me he’s excited to meet my family next week for the camping trip– but he can’t admit to me that he has feelings for me and he was so quick to drop me when I said that after dating 2 months? During that same conversation he told me he couldn’t make an emotional commitment yet- I told him it was ok that it was early in our relationship and I know he’s still grieving- that I just needed him to communicate with me. I lost my ex boyfriend and lover of almost 20 years almost 2 years ago– I can relate to the process of grief and the stages of reopening his heart. It took me time and I want to love him through it. But I’m TERRIFIED that he won’t love me — that I’ll always be 2nd to her. That I can’t trust the tenderness, affection and connection that flows between us. I really need some advise. He acts like he cares for me– but I feel I can’t talk openly about how I feel for fear of him now dumping me. I know he needs time and patience– but I need to know if it will be worth it. I’m 40 and want to grow old with someone….

  624. Thank you for your thoughtful message, Kaitlin. I hope many women read this so they can get your excellent advice…especially powerful since you have “been there.” Big hugs and continued success in your beautiful relationship. Bp

  625. That’s an easy question: Yes. Believe him, End it. Bp

  626. I don’t normally comment on these things, I read them as a way to better understand my situation and realize I’m not alone but after reading the comments I felt I had to.
    Every person and situation is unique and people handle things differently, that doesn’t make someone ridiculous or “clueless”, but seeing people’s opinions on this article makes me realize they are critical in every situation not just in dating a widower.
    I myself met a wonderful man who is a widower. I am 27 and he is 34, he lost his wife a little under 3 months before we met. He was not looking to find a serious relationship but merely looking to start “living” again after her 7 1/2 year battle with ovarian cancer. They were together for 12 years and married for 10, I myself had been separated/divorced for a year after a 7 year relationship (3 years married). I by no means would ever expect him to refer to her as an ex and do not on any level agree with the idea of a late-spouse being the same as a ex from a divorce. We now live together and there are still pictures of her in our home (their former home) which he says he wants to take down but I have told him many times to do so when he is ready. Her family has loved and accepted me from day 1 and his friends have as well but that doesn’t mean any of them, including him, don’t miss and love her. As they should. She was a good person who they love and will always love. I have asked them all to tell stories of her so I can get to know her because why shouldn’t I? I know my place in his life and I am not intimidated by his past. Just because he will always have love in his heart for her does not diminish his feelings and his love for me. It isn’t easy and some days I struggle with the right way to handle situations but we figure it out together as a team as it is a new experience for all of us. If you are dating a widower and feel you need to completely remove her from your lives and conversations you shouldn’t be dating him.

  627. Hi! I enjoyed your great advice .. just started a new relationship with a W… new for me… interesting… it’s been 12 years since she passed… he brings her up like she passed yesterday … i’m trying to be patient and try to understand it’s a little difficult for me and he’s a great guy ….

    I want to stick with it for a while see what happens and read a lot so thank you !

    Jeanne

  628. Dating a 72 widower who was happily married 29 years.I am 70. I told him at onset, I was looking for more than dating. Now he says he will never marry me ever. If I bring it up again, he will break up. He never initiates intimacy anymore. Trying to talk ends up in a fight. Should I end it? Also, he doesn’t drive and I take him everywhere.

  629. Doesn’t sound like he’s shown you any real love or commitment, Nelly. If you want that, move on. Best, Bp

  630. I’m dating a widower , he was together with his wife for 42 years
    And we been together but he still don’t tell me he loves me and he still has her clothes in her closet and her ashes and it’s been 3 years he has conversations with her , even so I go to his house when is time to sleep I need to leave , he don’t allow me to spend the night , but he give Lot of love and another thing he don’t answer my messages , should I let him go or should I stay with him ? Please reply. Back to me . Thank you

  631. I can’t answer Chris. Based on what you’ve said sounds like he’s saying two things: getting harder but not guilty. Bp

  632. Your comment is spot on, Aimee! Thank you for such an insightful reply.

  633. I’m 45 and talking to a man same age who lost his wife of 24 years.we started a long distance relationship and are ready to meet in two weeks.He talks about his wife and said its getting harder.its only been 5 months.He said he did feel guilty but doesnt anymore. I encourage him to talk to me about her and he does..Is this a good thing, that he felt guilty but now he doesn’t!? What does this mean..help me please

  634. This is a tough one. My husband’s daughter can’t stand me to this day. (Can you imagine?? LOL!) So I understand how hard it is to be around their kids and be completely ignored. Been there. You have to decide if He is worth putting up with that. If so, grin and bear it because you love him. No relationship is perfect and, like you said, it puts him in the middle. However – and a big however – it’s telling that he got angry when you shared your feelings with him. If he wouldn’t even acknowledge it or even try to show some understanding, that sends up Big Red Flags to me. It took my husband’s daughter doing something downright nasty to me for him to finally put his foot down and let her know if she can’t show respect for me it would harm their relationship. But all along, as he was trying to navigate the challenge, he showed understanding and appreciation for how hard the situation was for me. Food for thought, I hope. Bp

  635. Listen to him and believe him. That’s all he wants. If you want more…move on, T. Bp

  636. Dating a widower for a 1 yr and a half. He was married for 30 yrs. Recently he told me he feels guilty for loving me and wants to just be friends. What should I do?

  637. 20 months with a 63 yr old widower (lost his wife of 20 some years to cancer almost 8 yrs. ago. I’m 60, divorced 2x. We each have grown children. He still has ALL her things. His oldest daughter has “concerns” and ignores me so he gets caught in the middle. He and I have so much in common and it’s a great fit but I wonder if they have “prolonged grief” and he’s angry right now because I set a boundary and said, “it’s too hard right now to spend time with them if they ignore me so I’m choosing not to”. He said that then I should NEVER see them again.

  638. Am just getting into a relationship with a fellow widow but I fear losing him please help how to make him happy

  639. I can’t answer that knowing only that info. Also not knowing why exactly he shared that information with you. If his marriage lasted that long there must have been positive aspects. Some would say that once a man cheats he always cheats… But I don’t necessarily believe that. I encourage you to get to know him better and make your judgement, based on words and actions.

  640. Find your advice extremely enlightening.
    Dating a recent widower of a 42 year marriage. He divulged he had a very short affair during the marriage and regretted it deeply.
    Need your advice. Is he a keeper?

  641. Betsy, I understand the confusion. It’s tough. I obviously know very little but what stands out to me is him saying he has to “respect how others feel.” That signals to me that someone is telling him it’s too soon. Maybe he feels some guilt or obligation to others? It’s understandable if he does, but you should know what’s going on. Is he giving you the full truth about his feelings and his reasons for holding off? I encourage you to have an honest conversation with him. Get it all out. That’s the only way you’ll get to make a solid decision for yourself. If you need help doing that, reach out to a counselor or some other professional that can help the two of you. Sounds like it’s worth it for both of you. I wish you the very best. Bp

  642. I’m a widow and started dating a widower 2 years ago . The first year was really a whirlwind . He was very much a gentleman , showed me lots of attention , told me he loved me, wanted to be with me all the time , talked about getting ‘M’ed (married) one day . Then at a year things started to change . Started saying we don’t have to get married so soon,he has to respect how others feel, it hasn’t been long enough since his wife died. Then he started making me feel there was something wrong with me,little picky things that seem silly now but hurt at the time . Finally at 2 years I told him ,I needed to know where this relationship was going. He finally told me he could not get married now because he is still not over his wife ,but he is better and asks me to be patient . What do you think? Half of me is angry that I am just now hearing this and half of me still wants to believe he could someday be a good partner . Did like your 95%/5% by the way

  643. Jolena, you have to believe a man when he tells you something, especially as directly as he did. If he’s using what you did as a deal-breaker, then he isn’t ready. I obviously don’t know all the details but I suggest you move on. Hugs. Bp

  644. I had an ad on a site and was contacted by a man several times and really didn’t take notice of him. His persistence finally grabbed my attention and I was smitten immediately after I actually noticed him. He came on strong and hard and a perfect gentleman. When we met in real life for the first time, I noticed he was wearing his wedding ring on his finger. I asked him latter if he always wore his wedding band on his pinky finger and he said yes. Especially since “she” passed. With so many posers and weirdos on the net, I have trust issues when I meet a guy. So, my re-action to his answer was something “oh..I’m sorry. I forgot you were a widower” well, that did it. The guy dropped me like a nasty habit. When I asked why the sudden cold shoulder, he told me it was because I was insensitive to the fact that he was a widower. This confused me because he had come at me so hard. Anyway, I apologized and it’s been an uphill battle ever since. He’s a great guy and I wish I would’ve met him 30 years ago. I’m not so ready to disregard him and now I am the one who is persistent. But, he tells me he is not “emotionally available” it’s ok. I’m patient and he’s worth the effort and wait hands down.

  645. I”m sorry you feel so hurt Cindy. I realize there is complexity when people who have lost their spouses unite. But what stands out to me most is that he knows his actions are hurting you and he doesn’t seem to care or be willing to make changes. That says something about him and your relationship. I can only advise you to take an honest look at all aspects of your relationship and get clear on what you need to be happy. If he is hurting you with his behavior you can either decide that, on balance, you can accept it or that this isn’t a relationship that is good for you. I know that’s way harder than it sounds, but perhaps it’s time to take this honest look at your life with him. Maybe you can find a counselor or coach to help you. Hugs. Bp

  646. You’re very welcome! Yup, sounds like he has feelings for you.But if he feels guilty about it that tells me he’s not ready for a new relationship. I advise you to keep communicating, listen carefully to what he tells you, and believe him. The timing may not be right. If that’s the case, I would advise you NOTto maintain this as an exclusive relationship. Keep your options and eyes open. He may be fully emotionally available soon; or not. Best to you. Bp

  647. My love wife passed 17 years ago, we have been dating 15 years, on our 10th year of dating he gave me a ring and stated this is our forever engagement. When we go out with other couples he will talk about the trips him and his wife had taken, never about our trips.
    I’ve told him in private how this hurts me like I’m second best, long story but he still does it even when I told him it hurts.
    He will pick out two or three trips and say pick one this is where he would like to go, not come to me and say let’s pick a trip, or where would you like to go. Sometimes I feel he gets this from her side of the family, him and his Passed wife never had kids, I will noticed when he visit her family, niece, nephew is when we have most of these problems.
    But what hurt the most was last night when I asked him to give me his ring size for Valentine’s Day because Ive always wanted to put a ring on his finger. He told me his brother is holding his wedding band and that is the only ring he wants on his finger when he pass. There’s so much more, sometimes when I’ve brought up these problems that no matter where we go he talks about his deceased wife, what they did, where they went, but never what him and I have done, where we have gone, I feel like I’m a shadow in the back ground. Last night really hurt and put into question is he really in love with me, or is it love like a companion or best friends not true love. When ever I bring it up tells him how much it hurts, all he tells me he will try and if he does tap him to let him know. Well I’ve even tried that and out with other couples he started talking about his deceased wife, I tapped him leg with my hand, he kind of yelled out, stop it I can talk about what I want. If I had my car I would have left. As I’ve stated before there’s so much and Im so in love with him both our past partners has passed but I don’t bring up my husband.

  648. Hi Bobbi,
    I’m dating a widower of 7 months and we’ve been dating for almost 4. Today we had a chat about him feeling guilty and that he can’t tell me he’s 100% committed to me. The word guilt came up a lot and I’m wondering if hes not feeling guilty for having feelings for me, which he has admitted he does. Thanks for the great article btw.

  649. It’s a tough one. Here’s my usual response: Communicate. Tell him that it confuses you and you’d like to better understand what he’s trying to get from hosting this group. So it’s not that he’s doing something wrong or that you are necessarily upset. Rather it’s an opportunity for you to get to know him better and get closer to him. He may not be able to tell you right then and there. He may have to give some thought as to how to articulate it. Be patient. Bp

  650. I started dating a widower about a month ago. He is 50 and I am 47. We have SO much in common as far as our interests and we share the same sense of humor. We are like two peas in a pod when we are together and his kids and friends all love me. He hasn’t told me he loves me, but it’s only been a month. I feel funny about saying it too soon, as well. His wife died 4 years ago. He has 4 kids from their marriage (8-16 yrs old now). He has photos of her plastered all over the house, which I feel is fine if it’s for the kids. I am not the first person he has dated, but he has mentioned that he has not spent so much time with another woman since his wife died. What concerns me is that, in the last week, he has started a new local widow/widowers group on Facebook and has planned a dinner with his new widow/widower friends in a town that is an hour drive away and has just been very nonchalant about it, saying, “Oh, I told you I’m going out to dinner with people from my new Facebook widows group, right?” I am wondering if I should just allow this to take up time and energy in our relationship? Is this a sign that he is not ready to move on? I am confused as to why he feels the need to start up a new, local support group 4 years out, while he is starting a new relationship with me. I don’t want to stifle his healing, but he has told me things like, “I am NOT still in love with my wife.” And “I never went through any deep, grieveing, I just never felt that way.” (She was sick with breast cancer for 4 years before dying, so I’m assuming he was glad that she was out of pain.) What are your thoughts on this, please? How do you think I should I react? Or should I not react?

  651. HI Micki – I can’t guess exactly what’s going on with him as he continues to send mixed signals…but I advise you to focus on yourself and what you need. Is it okay with you to be with a man who responds to you expressing your needs by getting angry? Is it okay with you to be with a man who lashes out and tells you to leave? It’s likely he’s experiencing some confusion, guilt; again, we don’t know. But we do know how he’s treating you. He’s not ready to make a loving connection. Maybe he was never able to share his feelings? Make a decision what you are willing to accept. Do you want to be with a man you want to change in fundamental ways? Hugs, Bp

  652. I have been dating a widower for 5 months. His wife passed away a year ago but had been sick for 3 years. I went to high school with both of them as well. I have supported him and we talk about her whenever he wants. He has told me he loves me and has wanted to spend every weekend together -on his lead not mine. Now all of a sudden he seems to be pulling back and needs some space when we don’t even live in the same town. Only 2 hours away so we can easily go back and forth. I do not pressure him or bug him but when I bring these feelings up of what is going on now he gets angry and lashes out at me and tells me he’s not gonna talk about feelings and I should just move on. Yet, he will text me and tell me he loves me and misses me at night when he gets ready too. I feel like he’s pulling away and don’t know what to do. I am also very close with his family and kids. Should I just be done and move on or is this a phase that he is going thru?

  653. Bobbi,

    I am married to a widower five years now. I’ve struggled with feeling “second class” and “less than” throughout the marriage. The situation is complicated by the fact that his previous wife was alcoholic and took her own life. He has two children (17 and 21) but only the oldest knows her death was not accidental. Her death and drinking are shrouded in secrecy—elephant in the room—me and my kids never know what to say or do, what not to say or do. It’s a constant source of stress and alienation. I often feel like an outsider in my own home. (By the way my kids split time with their dad and are here only half their time anyway—and grown now so even less.) You are the first person I’ve been in contact with in person or online who seems to get the horrible feeling of being discounted and treated as less—she (the previous wife) is revered by his kids, I am tolerated. So my husband hasn’t put me first in any tangible way that his kids could see. It’s very complicated and I’m not doing the situation justice. I have compassion for my step kids situation . But I am also not an evil person for wanting to be treated as I would want my own children to be treated in their marriages —-as the central most important person in their spouse’s lives.

  654. Hi Jim my sincere condolences and thanks for sharing your story. I’m currently dating a widower and it’s not easy. He has lots of moments of sadness and tears and I know there’s not much I can do except be there for him. Thanks again for sharing your story.

  655. Thank you for the advice. I hate to say it but I’m going to take the risk of my heart with this man for a few more months and if I still feel that he can’t love me like I need and deserve to be love because he’s still grieving, I’ll back out.
    Thanks,
    Happy to meet a great man
    Sad that’s he’s grieving
    Confused of which way to go….

  656. Hate to say, Lola, but you may be right. He sounds like he’s still grieving and merely looking for companionship. If you’re looking for love and commitment, he’s not ready, my friend. I left a guy I thought I was in love with after 3.5 years. It took me that long to realize he’d never commit to me. I cried for months. Looking back I am incredibly grateful I left. I would never be where I am today; with a wonderful, kind, committed husband. Be honest with yourself and with him. And if it’s not in the cards, pull off the bandaid and leave. There is someone out there who can and will love you openly and fully. Hugs. Bp

  657. I’m 41 and have been dating a widower for 5 months now. He seems like the perfect man. He lost his wife a year and a half ago. He hasn’t told his kids that he’s dating. He said he’s surprise that he’s opened up to me the way that he has but he don’t think he can love. He also said he don’t think anyone could love him like his wife. That made me feel sad and I’m starting to think that maybe I’m wasting my time.

  658. That was so well said, Jane. Thank you so much. Hugs, Bp

  659. I see a lot of comments here saying that a widower shouldn’t be dating until he is done grieving. As if grieving has an end. There is no end to grief, but it does morph into something that is not all-consuming, and it subsides enough to allow other feelings and relationships to happen. Don’t expect it to end.

  660. Hi Ann. This situation is different. There are a lot of people involved. If you are truly interested then you two need to have a serious conversation about if there is any future for you. Although you didn’t mention if he has made further moves. Remember, though that he’s a man in a relationship who “hit on you.” That’s a Flag. Bp

  661. I have to be honest…I did not read your comment. You obviously have a (long) story to tell and I would love to help. You can get more personal support from me in private coaching. Best to you. Bp

  662. As I see it, Gil, we ALL need companionship and love. I don’t think we should ever give up on finding it. I have plenty of clients in their 70s looking for a nice gentleman to be with. Bp

  663. I’m a widower approaching 80. Is it too late for me to think about dating again. I lost my wife over 3 years ago – and as some of your thoughts suggest, I don’t know whether I want to date.

  664. I have been friends for years with a man and his wife…she decided to take her own life 3 years ago. He started dating a woman 8 months after his wife died and is still seeing her. Just recently he admitted to me that he would go to our friend events just to see me or go to them because I was going…
    Very taken back by that.
    Just this week he drove me home and kissed me as I was getting out of his car.
    I am so nervous because I like him but he is with this other woman and I am with a man for 6 years on and off..
    I want to know what the next step is but i dont want to call od text him first and my reading your articles that’s the first thing u day not to do
    Please can u give me some advice… he is a really good man

  665. Hi Teri. This must be difficult. As far as comparing to her, I don’t have context so all I can say is that it should never be a comparison. You’re two different people and I truly believe that he can love you both deeply. You need to have a conversation about your feelings my friend. Once I post this you might get other perspectives, but either talk about it, leave or continue living your life feeling like you’re not well-loved. Let him know you love him. That you feel you need your home to be more of your own. Ask if he’s willing to have a conversation about how you two can arrive at a way where he maintains his memories and you feel ‘home’ and secure. And Teri, if he’s not willing to have the conversation, make some wise decisions. It’s telling. Hugs. Bp

  666. I was the hospice nurse for a woman dying from cancer
    I stayed friends with her husband and now we are in a relationship going on 4 1/2 years. He tells me that aI will never compare to her but he loves me. I never set boundaries about him taking down pictures or any changes made in the home that we still live in.It has been very hard for me. I still feel like a stranger in this house that will never be my home! I do love this man but I don’t know how to bring up my concerns without causing more problems.

  667. Hello
    I have married a widower after 8 years together.
    I just think that rather be his second wife than his first.
    cheers

  668. I’m so thankful you shared with us here, Jim. I can’t imagine how hard it is for you. My sincere condolences for your loss. That said, I’m happy that we — myself and my wonderful community of women — helped in your journey. You can be sure that your words here will help a lot of women by putting a ‘real face’ on this experience from a man’s POV. With gratitude and love, Bp

  669. It was quite by accident that I landed here. I lost my wife not long ago and through a google search ended up on your piece. I read it through and then I read the comments. I’m not going to refute anyone’s opinion but perhaps the perspective of a recent widower may be of benefit.

    We were married 26 years, spent nearly our entire adult lives together. Five children, three of which are grown and on their own. A 15 year old daughter and a 6 year old son remain.

    Our marriage was a happy one.

    Not long after she passed I found myself in the abyss, I spent time in her closet, I stared at her pictures. Her passing was sudden and unexpected, so there were few to no conversations about ‘what if’ prior to it.

    So what does a father and devoted husband do in that situation? There’s nothing that prepares any of us for it, and frankly no book or therapist after the fact made a difference either.

    I packed her things away, all of it. I knew that if I didn’t find a way above the waves I was most certainly going to drown in grief.

    At 46 I’m too young to live alone for the rest of my life, yet I’m far enough along in my life to know that after all of that time together I know I can’t forget and I know that the emotional flood comes at odd times. Old movies, music, some foods, dumb commercials. If you haven’t lost of that magnitude it is hard to understand that the innocuous sometimes brings back the memories and the pain.

    Divorce and death are not the same, divorce happens over time. It in itself is an act of closure. Sorry, you don’t get that with death. Ex’s and Late Wives are different things entirely. That isn’t to say that I believe a widower has the right to refer to ‘her’ as his wife, I agree with the need to see the new as the single love and most important. I would argue though, that the widower isn’t in complete control of the things that can trigger an emotional wave. They happen. How they are handled and how long they last, albeit, shakily, is within the control of the widower.

    I guess what I wanted to say, is thank you to you and the commentators, all of them. We were not gifted with a manual on how to manage through this, and reading this has helped me.

  670. Hi T. You’re kind of in a spot that I was being single at 47. To me marriage was important. I needed to feel like I was someone’s #1. I had never had that in my life. You’re right, it’s the ultimate commitment that counts and I’m sad to say that you may not ever be able to get that from her. What you’re looking for is the same thing most every woman here wants, so I’ll tell you the same thing I would tell them: Get clear on your must-haves and don’t compromise. If one of your MHs is to feel secure and safe, I suggest you ask yourself if you could ever feel that way with her. And really – you can’t ever buy her flowers, jewelry or chocolate? I assume a MH is to feel like a man who is enhancing a woman’s life. You sound like a good man. Find a woman who will delight in all you are willing to share with her. My 2 cents. Thanks for being here. Bp

  671. First of all, thank you all for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I am a man who has begun dating a widow. Her late husband passed away 5 years ago. I’ve known her for a little over 2 years. She was my personal shopper at a high end men’s store and she has excellent taste. I always thought she was married as she had her wedding ring on when we first met, and it started as a business relationship anyway so that was that. My next shopping tours the ring was gone, she provides me with an excellent service, so I said to myself that I won’t mix business with pleasure. This past summer she left the store. Shortly after that, she asked ME out! Bold! I LIKE IT!!! She is single and we are not mixing business with pleasure. Happy Guy Here! Hooray!

    She keeps a very busy social calendar so getting together more often than not has been challenging. Like our second date was a month later. She showed interest in me, so it is only natural that these long gaps between seeing each other bothers me a bit. And being 49, I’m too old for bullshit so on our second date I asked her flat out when her and her ex divorced to get a sense of baggage allowance. At this point she only mentioned him once previously and called him her ex, so I assumed she was divorced. That’s when I found out she is a widow. Of course I exuded compassion and empathy like any human being. She gets together on special holidays with her extended family. I fully get it, they are still her family, I am totally okay with that and fully support it.

    She lives in the condo her and her late husband had together. She shared with me that she never has anyone over to her place except one person, her sister in law. I suspect her home is her shrine. I am okay with that, so long as if we developed true feelings for each other that we would buy a home together, whether she was a widow or not. I would be okay with selling my house so we can find something that would be ours instead of hers or mine.

    Our third date was amazing. I am falling for this beautiful woman. I know myself extremely well and when I fall in love I fall hard, so I am a bit guarded at the beginning of any relationship as I will not go down a long road leading to nowhere. We are still at the very beginning getting to know each other stage. I am wise enough to know that people are like snowflakes, there are no two people alike. And mature enough to know a relationship takes compromise, and I am not set in my ways. Over our champagne lunch, she started the “I am 46 and too old for bullshit, what do I want out of a relationship” speech which was perfect because I was just about to start it myself. Same page! This is excellent! When I am in a relationship with anyone, I am committed, I give 110%, there is nothing or anyone more important than the woman in my life. I am on a roll, she’s liking this! Happy guy here! Hooray!

    And then the bombshell. I told her that I never thought at being almost 50 I would not be married, and I would like to be with the right woman. She told me flat out that she has had only one husband, and will never have another, so if I want to get married in the future I should walk away right now. She also shared with me her friends and extended family do not support this view, and encourage her to not do that. So this is a bit encouraging. However she is steadfast in her decision to never marry again. Not that it matters but I also got the “never buy me flowers, jewellery or chocolate ever”. Chocolate, fine. But really? Killing my chivalrous nature with a single shot.

    The dilema: While I know a relationship with anyone takes compromise, marriage is the ultimate commitment two people can make to each other. And I don’t think I can be in a loving monogamous relationship for the rest of my life while being denied the ultimate committment, denied an anniversary with the woman I love, not introducing a woman as my wife eventually, denied a wedding ring, essentially leaving me standing in the shadow of a deceased man, her one and only husband, being 95% committed to instead of 100%. I don’t care as much about the ceramonial aspects of marriage, a wedding and all that, but to be denied the ultimate commitment, I don’t think I am okay with never feeling fully complete. Marriage is the finish line and she just wiped it out, I will be running forever because the finish line is gone. I am handsome, successful, well put together and a great catch. My friends, colleagues and family will not have any respect for her steadfast position on the matter whatsoever.

    So, my thoughts are this. I am thinking I either have one more conversation about her steadfast position about any man, not just me, being denied the ultimate committment two people can make to each other, encourage her to talk openly with her friends and extended family that do not support her view, as I don’t think my point of view on the matter is selfish. Or, I walk away as she suggests.

    Any advise on the matter is appreciated.

  672. Why does he tell me he did and bought and travelled and bought her gifts with such glee. He does none of tbe above for me. Yet he is a good man. She died 3 years ago. The house is as she left it. The phktos are in the lounge. The bathroom is full of her things. Lately he has been allowing me to give. Hundreds of her hard cover novels to goodwill. I always ask his permission to remove her stuff and honour his wish. This is the otherside of dating a widower.

  673. Bobbi,
    Are you referring to biblical marriage? I am. And yes, a husband vows to “forsake all others”. Not just meaning not having sex with anyone else. The word forsake means to abandon. It is in reference to forsaking other relationships or adjusting them to put your spouse above all others. The leaving and cleaving. But if you are not speaking biblically, then perhaps your emotional polygamy philosophy makes some people “feel” better. Well, except for his wife who will end up feeling like a glorified mistress or sister wife.

  674. Hi Evelyn. Sounds like you have some fundamental differences. If he is going to actively try to bring those children into his life, I would understand how that may not work for you. But is that a reality? And how would that ‘look’ in real life? Would they actually be part of your lives? More importantly, it sounds like he is “pining” for what he doesn’t have – his wife and her kids. Is he truly ready to move on and love again? I can’t say with the little information I have. It’s a question only you and he can answer, but I would have a direct conversation about it. If you are needing more to be happy, and he can’t give it — you’re right — it’s not wise to wait for something that will not happen. Hugs, Bp

  675. Good for you. I like to hear sucess stories likevyours.

  676. They had history for some years as you had history for some years. Both should be open about it as we do.

  677. I am dating a widower. He is one ofvthe gems you mentioned,however,he cries for her when holding me tight often. She has been deceased three years. I do not mind him talking about her. I am not jealous of her. They had a 45yr history like I had a 30yr. What bothers me is he has her and her children in his living room as I call it his shrine. They had a not so nice partnership. Now he pines for her children. He had none. Her husband brought them up. I did not want a man with children. We met on line 2 yrs ago. Heis profile stated he had none and when we met he mentioned it also. That was one of the main reason I answered his profile. He is hesitant to move forward in our relationship, although he understood what my expectation is. When discussed,he says we are reading the same book but not on the same page. I am loosing interest. He is a lovely gentleman and I do not want us to waste our time that we may have very little time for at our age. He is 71 and I an 72. Help

  678. Thanks for your comments. I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. Hugs, Bp

  679. With respect, belly, I just don’t agree that a man (or woman) should have to forsake and forget his love for his dead spouse. That said I truly appreciate your comment and your being here. Bp

  680. Hi again,
    I had some time to read through all your posts. Please consider this: a widower who chooses to remarry no longer has a “dead wife” as you said. He has ONE live wife. And a string of former lovers and spouses, some dead and some alive. Please stop condoning emotional polygamy. When a man CHOOSES to date and/or marry he is CHOOSING to emotionally end (divorce) his relationship with his former deceased spouse. Dragging the dead spouse along into an emotional “threesome” is unacceptable to any woman with high esteem. Do not call women “insecure” or “immature” because they have decent standards. He can wish the deceased wife well and hope she is at peace in heaven, etc. But not to actively love or long for her! If a widower never meets a woman who surpasses his previous spouse, guess what? He doesn’t get married! Simple! He remains single, emotionally unavailable and perhaps uses women for sex. You know, like the men we call “dogs” and “players”. The type of men you usually tell women to avoid. Do you condone a man who cheats on his wife as long as he is loving and nice to his wife when he is with her? Of course not.

    If you are Christian please read Ephesians 5:25 “Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church, giving His life for her.” The wife is to be number one in the husband’s WHOLE life, above everyone, dead or alive. Just as he used to put his deceased wife above everyone, if he chooses to remarry, his wife deserves the same position in his life that he USED to give the first wife. The second wife is NO LESS of a wife and must rank above everyone just as his first wife used to.

  681. I’m a former widow married to a former widower….. I’m sorry but your advice is off. Why should women married to former widowers HAVE to tolerate being married to a man that only gives her 95% of himself? Would this be tolerated from a divorced or single man? Men get dumped by women they truly love ALL THE TIME!! And when the next one comes along, she expects him to put her ABOVE the love that left him for WHATEVER reason. A woman would not tolerate a man longing for or missing his former ex that dumped him…same should be true for a widower. The reason for the former relationship’s end is IRRELEVANT. Death did end the relationship, correct. Death is the reason he is single, correct. But choosing to begin another relationship is 100% his choice. No woman should tolerate dating a man under the premise of “well, I can’t have the woman I really want, so I will settle for having you. You’ll suffice.” Or the “I love you, too” is emotional polygamy. Does it mean he has to hate or forget his deceased former spouse? No, he can hold her memory in kind regard. Just as we all do of our past lovers. But he must put his wife above his memories and let his wife know that if he had the choice, he would definitely choose her OVER his previous loves….that’s the only way the relationship will work.
    I have researched and lived this topic. It’s amazing how people expect the wives of widowers to be these bizarre “second class, sister wives”. We’re just wives like all the other wives in the world. And our husbands love us more than anyone else, dead or alive….. or at least they should be expected to.

  682. Like my post says, I believe in compassion and understanding when you are dating a widower. That said, you also need to feel loved and happy. Perhaps it’s time to have a conversation with him, Petra. Share your feelings for him. And what he might be able to shift in order to make you happy. He may not be able to give it. But you need to ask. If not, it’s your decision but I hope you decide to take care of yourself. We all deserve to feel loved. Hugs, Bp

  683. I have been dating a widower for nearly two years. His wife died of an unexpected heart attack within four hours three years ago. I have found it quite challenging as he never says he loves me. But he has been very supportive to my two kids. The time we have spent has been very special but I feel he can never love another woman again. I want a future and committed relationship but again he always comes to our house. I have been to his family home only twice. I keep asking myself if I should just was away.

  684. Hi Karen. Thank you so much for sharing your POV. I’m so happy that you’re enjoying the love of this man. He does sound like he represents the type of widower I wrote about. And you represent the patient, kind woman who saw his potential and took time to get to know and love him. Love to you both. Bp

  685. Here is my experience with a widower I wanted to share. After a 25 year marriage and 2 unsuccessful relationships, I took inventory of what I wanted and needed in a man for a healthy relationship. After many unsuccessful dates I met a man who lost his wife 3 years prior. I immediately felt comfortable and enjoyed his company. I was uncertain if he was ready for a relationship but I knew I wanted to get to know him better. I can’t say it was easy because he had no plan to get involved with anyone after being married for 43 years. Yes, I needed to be patient and loving. But I truly understood how difficult it was because he had a good marriage. Hearing things about his late wife I truly felt I would have liked her and she was not competition to me. It took a year for him to fully commit himself to me and tell his children I was permanently in his life. During that time, we had a wonderful relationship and enjoyed being together. We dated exclusively. I feel a widower certainly knows commitment and how to love a woman to make her happy. In fact, we are currently planning our commitment ceremony. (Neither of us care about getting married at our age.) Bobbi, you’re right on.

  686. Hi Kim,
    Thanks for your comment. I agree, and I’m so glad you brought up the idea of keeping him from sharing his feelings. Yes! Isn’t that what so many of us complain about? We want to know him and understand him…and he doesn’t share. Honestly, this is why some men don’t: they don’t want to upset us or say the wrong things. Anyway, I”m happy for you that you have found your last love. And sorry that you lost your first. Much love, Bp

  687. Hi. I am posting this here for those of you who have already read my article and commented.
    PLEASE READ MY ADDENDUM:
    Speaking of comments, I’ve received a ton! Some of you shared your positive experiences and thanked me. Many more of you called my ass out! This is not an attempt to defend my work. I don’t feel I have to. But I would like to dig just a little deeper than I did with my initial writing. And I want to thank and honor you all for sharing so thoughtfully and honestly.

    * First, let me allow that you are all so right on one piece of my advice being off-base. Being okay with calling her his wife is wrong. I can explain the real-life scenario on which my opinion was based, but let’s not even go there. It’s bad overall advice. Thank you for helping me see another POV.

    I’m happy to say that I’ve never had to experience the grief of losing a spouse. In fact just writing that makes me feel like throwing up. I can’t even imagine the agony of living through that at any time of one’s life; certainly any time before, say, our 80s.

    I dated several widowers in my single decades and had an extended relationship with one. I have also spent the past 8+ years closely observing many women as they dated Ws. Some have remained in great relationships with them (like Karen above). Most have not, because of the very issues you have raised.

    You see…if you know my work you know that its foundation is based on helping women embrace that their own happiness must be their first priority. When they are happy, their man is happy.

    My advice here is to a woman who has met one of the “gems” that I introduced to you at the start of this article: one who had a good, long marriage…knows how to love, communicate, commit, work through problems …misses being married…pours himself into [a relationship]. (Meaning a relationship with HER.)

    It is to This Man — the one who knows how to love and is ready to do it again — that I advise a woman to extend kindness, patience and empathy. If he makes her happy in countless wonderful ways, I advise that she try to understand that there can be a piece of him that still loves and honors his late wife.

    I admit that as a coach who teaches women to date like a grownup, I assumed that it would be taken for granted that it is never okay to stick around and accept bad behavior or be treated like a doormat. (Yah, I know about the assume thing.)

    Many of you spoke of excesses: droning on and on, posting on Facebook how much he misses her, baking her birthday cakes every year and hanging her pictures on the wall…absolutely these are all likely deal-breakers. I advised to have a conversation with him and if he persists…he’s not ready. I apparently could have supplied clearer qualifiers to better express my position.

    So…that’s some additional foundation. In the end, my advice is that if a Good Man can give you 95% of himself, but still needs to save 5% for a dead woman with whom he shared decades and probably raised a family, you might be able to give him the gift of letting him remember her fondly…without guilt or shame.

    Again, I truly DO love and appreciate hearing from you. I know that you are wise and smart and loving. What you share here is meaningful to me and also helps inform the thousands of women who are reading these posts.

    So, keep bringing it on. But please, can you not write me that you disagree with my percentage allocation and stuff like that? I’d really appreciate it. 🙂

    With love and support…always.

  688. I found the tips in-line with how my relationship works. I think our relationship works well because I’ve also lost a spouse. Until you’ve walked in his shoes I imagine it is hard to understand where he is coming from and why he can’t just cut his late wife out of his life. Losing a spouse isn’t a choice. They are taken away and you must muster up the strenght to live each day with out them (which does become easier over time) and provide for your family emotionally and financially alone. Not an easy task. If he is the right man, showing compassion will go alot farther than asking him to turn off feelings. These are just my thoughts.

  689. I hear you, Emily, but I don’t see anywhere in my writing that says to accept unacceptable behavior. I’m happy to say that I’ve never had to experience the grief of losing a spouse – just writing that makes me feel like throwing up. However, I’m having so much trouble understanding how a dead wife is the same as an ex-wife. Seriously? You don’t see that a man who was happily married to a good woman for, say, 20 years, and probably had a family with her, should be allowed to remember her fondly and still feel some connection to her? We just don’t have a place to agree here. Sorry. Thanks for your comment, though. I do want to hear your perspective and opinions.

  690. Yes I see that Aimee. And I want to honor your/their feelings. And I am going to do that. Stay tuned. Bp

  691. Thank YOU Natalie, for your beautiful words. My “assumption” was that you ladies would understand that I was speaking here about giving a Good Man the gift of your empathy and kindness; a man who has earned it. Yes, both sides should feel loved and valued. I’m just sayin’ – even the man. Bp

  692. In my case, totally worth it! I know many whose personal experiences were quite painful and others even traumatic.

    Women, our worth is immeasurable. And our feelings ARE JUST AS VALID. Too often, we forget or are ignored when dealing with Widowers.

    Date like a grown-up. Both people are equal. Both sides should be feeling a great return on the investment of each other. “Assuming” (I hate that word) that they are BOTH ready to put another’s needs ahead of their own.

    Thanks for your attention to this Bobbi.

  693. The list of reactions you have received posted show how strongly GOW/WOw’s feel and how misunderstood and strongly we feel.

  694. Bobbi, what in your opinion is the difference between an ex wife and a dead wife? It’s a relationship that has ended. The late wife didn’t have to live with reminders of his previous partners, and if a person is divorced it wouldn’t be acceptable to have up pictures of the former spouse. How is this materially different? I would submit that our society romanticizes grief in such a way that it glorifies the grief of a widow or widower and gives an out for behavior that would otherwise be unacceptable.

  695. And thanks for actually reading what I write, Michelle! 🙂

  696. Did I say anything about letting him keep a bunch of pictures up all over the house? This woman is DEAD. Yes, I would date a W man who has A Picture of his late wife. In fact I have. Disagree with me all you want, but I think it’s kind and caring to “allow” that if he feels the need to remember her with a picture in the house, he should have that right. I’m not talking about a 10 foot one above the fireplace for crying out loud!!! I KNOW women who DO have this in their home and they are very much loved and in love. We can agree to disagree, MK. But I don’t compare this to having his ex’s pic up. It’s his Dead Wife. Bp

  697. Thanks a lot Aimee. A lot of your advice is really good and will help a lot of women. I wish, though, you (all) would understand that I didn’t write a book on this. I wrote about a tiny, tiny slice of this very challenging life situation. And to say things like “BTW divorced people aren’t necessarily “bad” at relationships and that isn’t a basis to judge someone on their relationship ability” assumes a heck of a lot in the meaning of about 8 words of this article.

  698. I am in a relationship with what I might call a “widow light” and it is still tricky. He was in a very short term marriage and he got involved with her after she was diagnosed. By the time we met it had been 7.5 years since her death and he had another relationship/friendship in between. No children and so far her name has not ever been mentioned at family events. He has her things packed up in a storage unit, so no major reminders in our home.

    He is a loving and nurturing man and while at first I was put off by the fact that he basically rescued and took care of this women, ultimately it shows what kind of man he is, so I don’t dwell on that. I am very happy and he never ever makes me feel second best.

    I am not fond of talking too much about past relationships in great detail so I tend to keep things to myself about my ex husband and gently change the subject if he does it with her or his other relationships. I don’t want to be a therapist to my lover/partner. I realize it was a short and intense relationship, but it was also 8 years ago. He has a tendency to gloss over and re frame negative things – dare I say exaggerate some times 🙂 He doesn’t talk bad about any women he has been with, a quality that admire- but I also think he downplays how difficult it was and he did get a lot of attention for what he did for her. Including my acknowledgements and compliments.

    So my advice is make sure enough time has passed, I would not be comfortable listening endlessly about someones past relationship any more than I would do that about my ex. My marriage was 3 times as long, so I have a lot more years of stories I could tell and I don’t think it is appropriate. Encourage you partner to go to a therapist or grief group if you feel uncomfortable.

  699. you are spot on Mairin, not sure what in the world the author was thinking. goodness she is clueless

  700. Hi.
    Your advice for women dating widowers is off the mark. Many W’s get involved far too early with another woman because they want companionship to help them feel better in their sadness and they want sex. They may think they are ready and will tell a woman they are ready but they aren’t. A woman may get emotionally invested and then end up badly hurt. If W’s are doing the emotional withdrawing and moping and sad on anniversary dates then they are not ready. The woman gets hurt and doesn’t understand what’s going on.
    I know lots about grieving from my own experiences with it and I know what is healthy and what isn’t. After years it isn’t healthy to still be doing over the top things to observe dates like parties, ceremonies, etc. It keeps people stuck in the raw grief. One needs to learn to continue living their life. If they can’t do that then they shouldn’t be dating someone else.
    I don’t mind hearing anecdotes about LW from W as they were married 20 years. Of course she was a major part of his life and mother of his children. BTW divorced people aren’t necessarily “bad” at relationships and that isn’t a basis to judge someone on their relationship ability. I’m divorced and am very good at my relationship with W because he is the right person for me and my Ex became a person who wasn’t. Also, widowers and their late wives didn’t necessarily have wonderful marriages. Lots of people stay together even if they aren’t particularly happy. There may be lots of reasons they do- for family, money, etc.
    The main caution is that women shouldn’t get involved with widowers who are still in active grieving and showing the signs of it by being emotionally unavailable and moping on anniversary days. Sometimes counsellors will even tell them they are ready when they clearly are not, leading me to think counsellors may be knowledgeable about grief but have no idea about what it’s like for women getting involved with widowers.

  701. “Does it take a confident woman to understand that he can still love his dead wife and love her?”
    No, honey, it takes a masochist.

  702. “One small slice of the challenges”? Really? I would say that you have zero clue as to these relationships. Would you give the same advice to women dating divorced men? Keep the pictures up, talk about her, refer to her as his wife? Of course not! Why are you giving that advice here?

  703. Bp, would you date a man who had pictures up of his former girlfriend or spouse? No. Why are you forcing other women to accept poor and disrespectful behavior. Late wife didn’t have pictures of my former widower’s girlfriend from graduate school up in her house, didn’t listen to stories of the two of them etc. Why should anyone?

  704. Thank you Bobbi….I’m glad you’re going to change that. It’s important.

  705. Hi Jolene. I’m glad you shared your story. I’m sure that was difficult, but it sounds like you have grabbed your learning from it and can see the positives. That’s the best that comes out of a failed relationship. Keep in mind how important communication is. Men aren’t usually great at it so we have to help them. This gentleman may not have been able to go there with you…but had you tried maybe you would have uncovered his feelings earlier. For next time, if there is one. Hugs. Bp

  706. Thanks for sharing your story, Suzy. Love your comparison to the guys who go back to their ex. Yah, there are lots of potential pitfalls in dating a divorced man too. You sound lovely, and I’m really glad you’re here. Hugs. Bp

  707. You know, I agree on the LATE part. I was wrong on that. I appreciate you sharing your feelings and experience here, April. The rest of it, I stand by. I don’t say that you should let him wallow, or talk about her often or endlessly forever or post all over Facebook how much he misses here. None of that is in this article. What I do believe is that as you are developing a relationship, showing him some understanding and empathy (like you have) is the kind and smart thing to do. Admittedly I neglected to include all kinds of detailed constraining information. Honestly, I believe that my audience understands that this is one small slice of the challenges with this type of relationship. Thanks again for your comment. Bp

  708. Hi MK. I never said that you should let him wallow, or be stuck. I merely feel like you should not expect him to wipe her from his fond memories. I think that’s cruel. Navigating this kind of relationship can certainly be difficult, and there is a lot to learn. As someone said earlier, for example, boundaries are so important. Sounds like you’ve done a great job at setting yours. Thanks for sharing your experience. Bp

  709. HI Donna. I agree with so much of what you say here and hope everyone reads your advice. I’m not going point-by-point where I don’t share your perspective, but I’m glad you shared here. Thank you. Bp

  710. Thanks for sharing your insight, Nikki. I love what you said: you are not the poor substitute, you are wonderful in *your* own unique way. I think that men are able to see it that way too! Sure, there are really tough parts of this, and (as I’ve written now dozens of times) I didn’t say it was easy to do this. But there is payoff, as some women have shared here. I’m glad you’re here. Bp

  711. Thank you Michelle. I appreciate your sage advice. As I’ve written to other women here, I never said this was easy. It’s not. As you said it takes a strong, confident woman and a ton of very good communication. That said, having a conversation about how hard it is to sit and listen to them talk about her might be a conversation to consider. (Though I”m guessing that you’ve already done that.) Boundaries are definitely so important in this type of relationship. Oh and you know what…I also agree about the Late Wife thing. You’re right. I need to rethink and change it. Thanks! Bp

  712. Yay! Someone who “gets” my POV. Yes, I would much rather have to “compete” (as other women have said it) with his lovely dead wife and reap the benefits of his good marriage than have to put up with a man who can’t truly trust, can’t commit, still has anger and has a crazy ex who is still in his life. Just saying. Hugs for agreeing with me. 🙂 Bp

  713. You have a right to your opinion, though I just don’t agree Vickie. Is this making the assumption that because a man has lovely memories of his late wife and wants to honor and maintain them that he will never be ready again for love? No. I don’t see it that way. Does it take a confident woman to understand that he can still love his dead wife and love her? Yes, I guess it does. Glad you’re here. Bp

  714. I don’t disagree, Natalie. I never said it was easy anywhere in my article. I am giving tips to help to make it work, if it’s with the right man. My research involves a lot of my own dating experiences, guiding many women through this experience in my coaching over the past 8+ years and reading the experiences of other women. I obviously didn’t say it clear enough as evidenced by some comments I”m getting: this can be really hard. But it can also be 100% worth the “work.” Thanks. Bp

  715. I wonder how many widowers and those dating them did you actually speak to? Two? Three? And how old were these relationships?

    This article seems fine till you get to the “tips”. I suggest you do some more research. Widowers can be wonderful, but dating them is HARD WORK and like no experience you’ve had before.

    Respectfully, Natalie
    Wife of a former W

  716. I can sum it up in 1 tip:
    He’s no different than any other man you may date. If a woman (living or dead) is an active part of his memory, he’s not ready to date.

  717. Have you or do date a widower? Your advice so off base in my opinion.What about the feelings of the woman. Are we not important enough to be made to feel like we are more than just a consolation prize

  718. As the wife of a former widower, I have to say this is TERRIBLE advice. No one should ever be made to feel like second place. Allow him to refer to his LATE wife as his wife? What would that make me? His adulteress? A widower who is dating should ONLY use the term LATE WIFE.

    And how long should we be ok with the grief on birthdays and anniversaries? Forever? At some point, it needs to be internalized and not be the center of his world – that is for him to decide when, but no new partner should have to put up with 2 (or 3 or 4 or 5) days per year when her boyfriend or husband is grieving the loss of someone who died years ago.
    I empathize with my husband for having lost his first wife. But I am his wife now and I expect to be treated as such.

    I think anyone dating a widower or considering dating a widower should do some real research on what is reasonable and what is not. This blog post just doesn’t cut it.

  719. Bobbi, these are very helpful tips. Dating a man who has been widowed can be challenging, but as you say, they can also be a great catch. Unlike divorced men, they don’t come from a failed relationship, but many have a strong track record of loving and appreciating a woman as a wife and partner. If he speaks of his late wife with love and fond memories, you can be sure he has a loving heart and in time, with your patience, you may find yourself worthy of being on the receiving end of that, too!

  720. You make this type of relationship sound simple. It’s not…they are extremely complex and until you’ve been involved in one there is no way to anticipate the issues that arise. Pardon my scattered thoughts…I could type a book here. A man who is still grieving should NOT be entering into a new relationship. Encouraging him to refer to his LATE wife as his wife is asking for trouble later. He does not have a wife…his marriage ended, with her death. This is rough territory, under the best of circumstances. For me it is a one-and-done experience, if this relationship ends I will NEVER date another widower. Feeling like 2nd prize is not fun….listening to friends and family tell endless stories about a woman who’s been dead for years is not fun….I believe in living in the present. You need to be a strong woman, willing to stand up for yourself and your right to come before a memory to survive….think carefully before jumping in. 🙂

  721. Are you kidding? I am a former widow married to a former widower. If a man still has a wife, he should not be dating (or wearing a wedding ring). He should call her by name or say late wife. If he is still actively grieving, he should not be dating. If he wants you to “get to know her” say NO. There are some things you cannot “unhear” and they will only bring up feelings of insecurity.

    Before I started dating, my ring was put away, photos were removed from public areas of the house, and I completely reclaimed the bedroom space by buying a new bed and linens, painting and removing all of my LH’s things. Doing these things, clearing physical space also allowed me to make emotional space for a new man.

    I led a peer grief group for many years and in my opinion, your advice will just cause problems down the road. Women dating widowers should have the same expectations as they would from any man they are dating. Widows and widowers should not get a pass on appropriate dating behaviour.

  722. I’ve been in a relationship with a Widower for nearly 3 years now and I would say that although indeed Widowers can be wonderful and come with depth and maturity, the minefield involved in dating a widower is not for the faint-hearted! Widowers can often feel so pressured by society to commemorate the late wife publicly (from facebook posts to social ‘celebrations’ of her birthday) that the feeling that there are three people in your relationship may never leave you. Three’s a crowd. It takes a strong, brave, focused Widower to truly face forward and embrace a new relationship, putting the new woman first and foremost, above all others, just like he did his first wife. Otherwise I’m afraid it is doomed. As a once confident woman I really lost some self esteem when I first dated my Widower – all those photos of his beautiful, blonde, slim wife staring at me every day from the walls of his house!!! Luckily my confidence is creeping back now and I am starting to enjoy the relationship and it almost feels “normal”. To any woman planning to date a Widower I would say: take care to protect your heart and remember that as much as people may talk to you about how wonderful the late wife was, you are not the poor substitute, you are wonderful in *your* own unique way.

  723. Thank you for writing this article. I have been with my husband, a former widower, for 5 years, married for 2. I belong to several online support groups for wives and girlfriends of widowers. A widower can be a good “catch” but it’s important that you set boundaries from the beginning. Rule of thumb, if you wouldn’t tolerate the behavior from a divorced or never married man, don’t tolerate it from a widower. What you permit, you promote.

    I respectfully disagree with your 5 tips.

    1. It’s not a competition until he makes it one, until his kids, his friends, and his former inlaws make it one. Late wife was a better cook, a better mother, thinner, prettier, smarter, best sense of humor and better in bed. All of these comparisons are common. If you do something different than late wife, you’re going to hear about it.

    My advice is to set boundaries right away. Let him know how this makes you feel. Explain to him that he does not want to be compared to your ex-husband, that when friends and family meet him for the first time, they don’t feel compelled to tell him what a great guy the ex was, and see if you can get him to see it from your side.
    Don’t be like his late wife if you’re not. He should love you for you. He should speak up for you and not let others compare or humiliate you either. It won’t change overnight. As long as he’s making progress, it can work.

    2. Calling late wife, his wife. If she is still his wife, than you are a mistress. You should have some self-respect. If you don’t speak up about this right away, it will eat away at you until you blow up and then he won’t understand because he thinks it never bothered you before.
    Think about how it feels if you’re out and you’re meeting people for the first time and he is talking to them about “his wife”. You’re standing there and they are looking at you funny. They assume you must be his mistress. He can learn to say “late wife”. You don’t call your ex-husband your husband, do you? Don’t date “married” men. If they are still emotionally married, you’re going to get hurt.

    3. Grieving is not a couples activity. He should be through with grieving when he starts dating. There is no set time. Everyone does grieve at their own pace, however, until he’s gone through that process, he’s not dating material. Sure, he might think about her on a birthday or anniversary. It’s only human but he doesn’t need to sulk and mope and talk to you about it. He doesn’t need to have birthday parties or celebrate a former wedding anniversary. Dead people don’t celebrate these events. They don’t care. Your feelings, as a living woman with feelings should come before a dead person’s birthday party.
    Try asking him how the late wife would feel in your place. It’s very hard to see the love of your life cry over another woman. You’re a human being. Set boundaries. If you don’t, it will suck the life out of you.

    4. You don’t have to ask him anything. If he wants you to know, and he probably will, he’ll tell you about her. At the beginning, it is a way of getting to know him but it should slow down pretty quickly and he should be focussed on getting to know YOU. Again, ask him how the late wife would feel about hearing stories about girlfriends past.

    5. You don’t have to be like her and he shouldn’t want you to be. If he does, that’s a huge red flag.

    Other points:
    Once you get serious and intimate with this man, he should not have her clothes in the closet or her make up in the bathroom. All of that should be packed up and put away. You should not have to deal with her pictures all over the house and her ashes on the mantel. If there’s kids involved, they can have whatever pictures they want in their rooms. If this man is ready to have sex with you, than he’s ready to put late wife in the past. He can’t have it both ways. Have some self-respect and let him know that you are not comfortable. You don’t have to tell him what to do. Tell him that it makes you uncomfortable and you won’t be visiting him in his home. If he’s into you, he’ll want to do everything he can to make you comfortable.

    I agree with what you said about having a grown up conversation. Remember that whenever he goes down memory lane, you cannot “un-hear” the things he says. Believe me, they are men, and sometimes not too bright. If he tries to tell you about making love to her or anything along those lines, stop him! You don’t want to think about that every time he’s making love to you!

    One more point, don’t assume that because he’s widowed, it was a good marriage. Even if they were married 30 – 40years doesn’t mean they were happy. People become elevated to saint status after they die. The wonderful late wife I was constantly compared to left my husband 50K in credit card debt, which he did not find out about until after she died. A widower isn’t necessarily a better bargain than a divorced guy. The fact that she died doesn’t mean he was a good husband. Everyone comes with baggage.

    Go into it with your eyes wide open. In my case, he turned out to be the love of my life and I wouldn’t change things for the world. Set Boundaries. That’s the key!

  724. I am dating a former widower. Have you dated a widower, ever? While this advice may seem helpful it is very destructive. Grief is not a couples activity. Allowing my former widower to wallow in and post about former anniversaries was not advancing or promoting our relationship. One year I had it with that behavior and he knew he needed to move forward or remain stuck in the past. The late wives didn’t have have pictures up or listen to stories of former romantic relationships. Don’t be afraid to move a widower to former widower status. Keep moving forward and focus on the here and now.

  725. He shouldn’t be dating PERIOD if he isn’t over his grief. The marriage us over thus she us no longer HIS wife. otherwise it feels like you are dating a married man. Need to do more research, you are off the mark and this us an awful advice article.

  726. I’m curious, do you have any experience at all with actually dating a widower? You make it sound like it is *so easy* and I assure you, it is not. A couple of your points I take major issue with:
    “Let him refer to her as his wife.” This is a big nope for most women dating widowers, because you see, we don’t date married men. Most marriage vows are “til death do us part,” so “late wife” or her name or “the kids’ mom” or something is more appropriate and assures us that we are #1 in the here and now.
    “Allow him to grieve during anniversaries and birthdays.” This depends on what you mean by grieving. Allowing for him that he might be a little sad, ok, that we get. What most of us won’t stand for is public mourning; tributary posts on Facebook, such as “Miss you every day and love you forever!” tend to get under our skin, as does any sort of birthday party (since when do dead people celebrate birthdays) or other tribute type things.
    Widowers need to do their grieving as much as possible before they enter a committed relationship with a new woman. Their late wives didn’t have to share them with another woman, and neither will we.

  727. Hello Bobbi,
    Thanks for the article on dating widowers. I have dated two widowers (one currently) and find they are very interested on dates, but do not communicate in between dates (ie calls, email, text) sharing the day to day about what they are doing or show an interest in mine. They are also typical men who are not afraid of intimacy. The memories of their lost wife don’t bother me. It’s the not knowing where they are in the grieving process and if they are ready for or serious about a relationship.

  728. I have just recently started seeing a widower. Having already been with man that ended the relationship to return to his ex, I would jokingly say that I should only date widowers from now on. I’m SO glad I found exactly that!! Being a widow myself, I feel I have an advantage knowing about how some days, places, events may bring a flood of emotions, as well as missing the closeness and companionship on such a deep level. There are downsides to this, like knowing you will never have a weekend where the ex will take the kids. If the in-laws are still an active part of his life, that could be looked upon as both negative and positive depending on how ready he is to move on and how much they’re willing to let him. Whether things between us work out or not, there will always be a special bond and understanding between us.

  729. I am a widow and had my first serious relationship with a widower. (5.5 years for me and 3.5 years for him.) We were together for two years when a major issue arose in his daughter’s life and he found himself missing his wife because he knew she would know just how to handle this issue if she were still alive. I believe he hadn’t completely grieved her and felt guilty having both of us on his mind and in his heart. Instead of discussing this with me, he abruptly ended the relationship. In retrospect, I think he was emotionally unavailable in the early stages of the relationship but I wasn’t willing to see the red flags. He had great potential to be a wonderful partner, but needs to complete his grieving first. I would definitely date a widower again but have my eyes wide open for signs of emotional availability.

  730. Yep, some widowers have those situations. But most don’t, Bren. Keep all the POSITIVE things I shared here in mind, sister! Hugs…always. Bp

  731. I’m so glad you’re here, Anne. Thanks for your note!! Hugs, Bp

  732. Thank you Bobbi, it’s lovely that you’ve written about this. When I first started looking at internet dating I was dubious about meeting men who were widowers, as that type of loss was not my experience. I have slowly changed my mind, and you write with great clarity and illuminate the heart of the matter (as so often!) 🙂

  733. Hi Bobbie,

    Thnk ou so m for our pieces of advise for dating. I have a banal problem. I do not find quality man here in my town. I have three university degrees, I manage my own successful enterprise. Now I build a new green field headquarter for my enterprise. I am successful in my life except for a romantic relationship. I do not have a partner for more than 7 years.What do you recommend for me?

    Best,Agota

  734. Widowers can be great….however Ive experienced children holding him back, guilt leaves his hands tied. They think you are out to steal their inheritance. Also some of them just can’t let go for of the late wife, pix all over the house etc …guilt in getting involved with another woman………I guess then they’re not the one. Not had good widower experience and they compare you to late wife a lot. Unevolved.

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